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2015-11-10 14:05 <dominicgan> Hello! Does anyone know if I can get a Teensy 2.0 dev board anywhere here in Singapore? Or do I have to order it online?
2015-11-10 14:14 <icedwater> I suspect so. I'd point you to 12geeks, but if you can't find it in their stores...
2015-11-10 14:14 <Lepak> <vi> They ship the 3.1 but apparently not 2.0.
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2015-11-10 14:54 <dominicgan> Ahh okay. Guess I'll just have to get one online then. Thanks!
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2015-11-11 02:07 <icedwater> !xkcd nerd snipe
2015-11-11 02:07 <WantonMee> http://xkcd.com/356 [Nerd Sniping]
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2015-11-11 07:53 <hendry> nothetup: http://www.a1k0n.net/2015/11/09/javascript-ft2-player.html#Claustrophobia.xm
2015-11-11 07:53 <WantonMee> [ Playing Fasttracker 2 .XM files in Javascript – a1k0n.net ] - www.a1k0n.net
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2015-11-11 10:18 <Valentine> hendry: PM
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2015-11-11 19:10 <downey> would it be OK to ask for volunteers for a project in this channel? :-)
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2015-11-11 22:06 <Valentine> downey: I don't see why not, but you'll have better luck on the mailing list
2015-11-11 22:07 <downey> Valentine: I've got one pending there too :-)
2015-11-11 22:08 <downey> Anyway, OpenMRS is organizing its first new worldwide summit at SMU on 8-14 December, and anyone who is interested in our work building open source healthcare software is encouraged to attend our tutorials/conference/hackathon (or volunteer!) ... ping me and I can get you a special registration code. ;-)
2015-11-11 22:08 <downey> http://om.rs/15 for details
2015-11-11 22:08 <WantonMee> [ OpenMRS Worldwide Summit - Resources - OpenMRS Wiki ] - om.rs
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2015-11-12 03:40 <icedwater> Woah. Just re-enabled microphone access (WebAudio) on one of my chromium pages and all the instances crashed, killing about 15 incognito tabs.
2015-11-12 03:40 <icedwater> I'm pretty sure the screw-up is in my script somewhere, but that was quite a reaction.
2015-11-12 03:48 <Alex> Shared library/memory issue I guess
2015-11-12 03:53 <icedwater> Let's see if I can reproduce it later.
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2015-11-12 04:25 <Alex> But it's rpetty common that if something like Flash crashes, it crashes for every tab
2015-11-12 04:25 <Alex> so if it was something at the tab execution level, it'd make sense. I guess.
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2015-11-12 06:01 <icedwater> So far I've noticed that CPU goes to 99.9% on that page alone for some reason. Maybe I'm not using my resources properly...
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2015-11-13 04:07 <hendry> Alex: transferring bucket ownership from one AWS account to another seems non-trivial. https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/account-transfer-s3/
2015-11-13 04:07 <WantonMee> [ Transfer Amazon S3 Resources ] - aws.amazon.com
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2015-11-13 04:54 <Alex> *nod* :(
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2015-11-13 08:28 <Valentine> hendry: hey, regen my AWS credentials, will you?
2015-11-13 08:28 <Valentine> or give me IAM access
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2015-11-13 09:00 <hendry> Valentine: I thought the perms were find for copying. Do you want to upload?
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2015-11-15 04:46 <hendry> i think i will be dipping back into Singapore tomorrow
2015-11-15 04:46 <hendry> like a BOSS in my executive coach!
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2015-11-15 06:30 <hyperair> okay, i'm baffled. how is this site showing chrome notifications when i don't even have the site open in a tab?
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2015-11-15 07:51 <hendry> what site?
2015-11-15 08:14 <hendry> hyperair: what sites?
2015-11-15 08:15 <hyperair> pinshape.com
2015-11-15 08:15 <hendry> Alex: on AWS do containers run on bare metal? unlikely eh? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568176
2015-11-15 08:15 <WantonMee> [ Run containers on bare metal already [video] | Hacker News ] - news.ycombinator.com
2015-11-15 08:15 <hyperair> specifically, blog.pinshape.com
2015-11-15 08:15 <hyperair> i've revoked its permissions to spit notifications
2015-11-15 08:15 <hendry> notify-sent / notifications ... bad idea i feel
2015-11-15 08:16 <hendry> just another silly medium to email ;)
2015-11-15 08:16 <hendry> or journalctl
2015-11-15 08:31 <hendry> Alex: wth http://s.natalian.org/2015-11-15/1447576196_1918x1058.png
2015-11-15 08:34 <Alex> That's *very* interesting, I've never seen that error before.
2015-11-15 08:34 <Alex> and no, containers in ECS run on EC2 instances you provisioning
2015-11-15 08:34 <Alex> *provision
2015-11-15 08:36 <Alex> Chuck a ticket in, I guess. Very weird though, genuinely never seen that before. It's not attached to anything right now?
2015-11-15 08:36 <Alex> Hmm, had you assigned an rDNS to the EIP through support?
2015-11-15 09:14 <Valentine> http://suckless.org/conference/
2015-11-15 09:14 <WantonMee> [ suckless conference 2015, Budapest | suckless.org software that sucks less ] - suckless.org
2015-11-15 10:15 <jeaye> It would make sense for suckless to have a fixed, minimal seat count. Also, they can only cover two topics per day, unless you patch it yourself. And, no, you can't change your schedule config once you've compiled. Try again next year.
2015-11-15 10:17 <icedwater> They can change it, they'd just have to cancel the whole event and call the same organisers again..
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2015-11-15 11:14 <hendry> Alex: yes, might have attached a rdns via support come to think of it
2015-11-15 11:21 <hendry> Alex: i can't remember how to contact support in AWS. I do remember that make it confusing.
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2015-11-15 14:12 <hendry> Alex: halp. how do I contact support to remove the Elastic IP which is costing me? http://s.natalian.org/2015-11-15/1447596699_1918x1058.png
2015-11-15 14:12 <Alex> Just raise it under 'Account', I guess. Also they might even refund it if you ask nicely, not sure.
2015-11-15 14:25 <github> [hackerspace.sg] hyperair opened pull request #131: Enable SSL in apache config (master...enable-ssl) http://git.io/v4sff
2015-11-15 14:27 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky closed pull request #131: Enable SSL in apache config (master...enable-ssl) http://git.io/v4sff
2015-11-15 14:30 <hyperair> okay, that's broken so hard.
2015-11-15 14:52 <hyperair> hendry: did you seriously make your sudo NOPASSWD everything?!!
2015-11-15 14:53 <hyperair> sudo on hackerspace.sg, that is
2015-11-15 14:53 <hyperair> ACTION flips tables
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2015-11-15 16:40 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky created fix/adjust_content_for_ssl from master (+0 new commits): http://git.io/v4soj
2015-11-15 16:42 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky pushed 2 new commits to fix/adjust_content_for_ssl: http://git.io/v4sKp
2015-11-15 16:42 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/adjust_content_for_ssl 17395da Robert Sim: Adjust redirections to SSL site.
2015-11-15 16:42 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/adjust_content_for_ssl f0b26de Robert Sim: Removed WordPress references as well as corrected indentations.
2015-11-15 16:43 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky opened pull request #132: Fix/adjust content for ssl (master...fix/adjust_content_for_ssl) http://git.io/v4s6B
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2015-11-15 20:53 <Candyman> Hello
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2015-11-15 23:54 <hendry> hyperair: NOPASSWD for those in the wheel group
2015-11-15 23:55 <hendry> hyperair: i don't even use passwords on ssh boxen
2015-11-16 00:11 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky pushed 1 new commit to fix/adjust_content_for_ssl: http://git.io/v4ZuM
2015-11-16 00:11 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/adjust_content_for_ssl 4ef7084 Robert Sim: 2 spaces indentation.
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2015-11-16 00:46 <robertsky> hendry: ffs, why did you put your sudo to NOPASSWD?
2015-11-16 00:46 <robertsky> also, the website is now ssl-ed.
2015-11-16 00:47 <hendry> robertsky: i work only with NOPASSWD
2015-11-16 00:47 <hendry> robertsky: what's the problem? they i didn't organise a wheel group?
2015-11-16 00:48 <hendry> robertsky: i saw the SSL stuff. i look forward to seeing how the 60day cert renewals are done !
2015-11-16 00:49 <hendry> robertsky: i wonder if my Rpi2 sign still works since I haven't updated CAs for a long while upon it
2015-11-16 00:51 <robertsky> hendry: the wheel group is not in the server in the first place.
2015-11-16 00:51 <robertsky> And I wonder how they are going to renew the cert too.
2015-11-16 00:52 <hendry> robertsky: ok, that's probably why I added it just to my account. I still stuggle to understand what i did wrong
2015-11-16 00:52 <hendry> i don't care to record or keep root passwords
2015-11-16 00:53 <hendry> robertsky: iiuc the renewal is supposed to automated with their client. so... i hope you setup their client like they wanted you to
2015-11-16 00:53 <hendry> otherwise it's a manual tasks every 60 days
2015-11-16 00:53 <hendry> love to see who does that
2015-11-16 00:57 <robertsky> hendry: imo, the second para in the answer here. http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/45712/how-secure-is-nopasswd-in-passwordless-sudo-mode
2015-11-16 00:57 <WantonMee> [ passwords - How secure is NOPASSWD in passwordless sudo mode? - Information Security Stack Exchange ] - security.stackexchange.com
2015-11-16 00:58 <robertsky> hendry: ikr, my heart sunk a little when I saw the 90-day limit for beta certs. since i started it, i might as well check in in end Jan to see if there is a need to manually renew the cert.
2015-11-16 00:59 <hendry> robertsky: it's design for doing key rotation more frequently
2015-11-16 00:59 <hendry> that's why they foisted their client on people's setups
2015-11-16 00:59 <hendry> robertsky: raising the bar paragraph?
2015-11-16 01:01 <hendry> i'm gonig to stick with sslmate personally for doing ssl after seeing the letsencrypt circus
2015-11-16 01:02 <hendry> also risky running someone's app i feel that is basically remotely controlled?
2015-11-16 01:02 <hendry> one step forward and two steps back
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2015-11-16 02:05 <icedwater> Sorry
2015-11-16 02:07 <icedwater> Lasertag game and I was trying to kill a wonky telegram client in another pane, didn't switch across in time.
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2015-11-16 02:15 <robertsky> hendry: yes. that. anyway, I don't see the client for letencrypt running. or a cron.
2015-11-16 02:20 <hendry> robertsky: umm, who set it up then?
2015-11-16 02:21 <hendry> ACTION predicts many a ssl website failing in 3 months time
2015-11-16 02:22 <hendry> ACTION predicts many a letsencryp secured ssl website failing in 3 months time
2015-11-16 02:22 <hendry> ACTION is on a bus. with 3G
2015-11-16 02:26 <robertsky> hendry: hyperair. but i checked through his crontab as well as the system's. nothing. and yes, i predict so as well.
2015-11-16 02:27 <hyperair> robertsky: /etc showed no changes in cron. user crontabs are in /var/spool though
2015-11-16 02:28 <hendry> who ran the letsencrypt client ?!
2015-11-16 02:28 <hyperair> robertsky ran it the first few times
2015-11-16 02:28 <hyperair> i ran it again under my account to complete the thing
2015-11-16 02:28 <hyperair> because the apache bits kept fucking up
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> they don't like how we merge multiple vhost sections into one file.
2015-11-16 02:29 <hendry> omg guys. and you chatise me for NOPASSWD? ... lolz
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> sorry?
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> what do you mean?
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> i don't think this had any security implication.
2015-11-16 02:29 <hendry> it sounds like you didn't setup letsencrypt
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> huh?
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> what do you mean "didn't setup letsencrypt"?
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> you mean didn't install it globally?
2015-11-16 02:29 <hyperair> yeah
2015-11-16 02:30 <hyperair> i just found out last night that we're still on ubuntu trusty
2015-11-16 02:30 <hendry> is it running so that it can update the certs in 60 days?
2015-11-16 02:30 <hendry> automatically?
2015-11-16 02:30 <hyperair> noope
2015-11-16 02:30 <hyperair> frankly speaking, this is the first time i'm hearing about the 60 day limit
2015-11-16 02:30 <hendry> that's the way I THINK it's it is supposed to be deployed
2015-11-16 02:30 <hendry> after reading HN etc about it
2015-11-16 02:31 <hendry> i could be wrong as usual
2015-11-16 02:31 <hyperair> well, it's likely that you're correct about this
2015-11-16 02:31 <hyperair> i don't know much about letsencrypt
2015-11-16 02:31 <hyperair> and it's still a closed beta
2015-11-16 02:31 <hyperair> we're operating on robert's invite
2015-11-16 02:31 <robertsky> and there isn't anyone hitting the renewal limit yet
2015-11-16 02:31 <robertsky> the invite is tied to the domain
2015-11-16 02:32 <hyperair> oh
2015-11-16 02:32 <hendry> i'll let you guys figure it out
2015-11-16 02:32 <hyperair> we could do the usual thing people do and set up calendar reminders to run letsencrypt certonly again
2015-11-16 02:33 <hyperair> by the way, i want to upgrade our ubuntu version
2015-11-16 02:33 <hyperair> oh wait
2015-11-16 02:33 <hyperair> we're on the latest LTS
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> god, this thing is old.
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> there has to be a PPA for letsencrypt or something
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> 188 packages to be install.
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> updated*
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> okay ima do it.
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> 209
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> I am at it already
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> shall i?
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> whoops
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> i just need to press enter.
2015-11-16 02:34 <hyperair> er
2015-11-16 02:34 <robertsky> lol
2015-11-16 02:35 <hyperair> i'm not sure why yours says 188 when mine says 209
2015-11-16 02:35 <hyperair> could you just ^C and lemme see first?
2015-11-16 02:35 <robertsky> i am seeing from sudo apt-get update/upgrade
2015-11-16 02:35 <robertsky> k
2015-11-16 02:35 <robertsky> aborted
2015-11-16 02:36 <hyperair> hmm
2015-11-16 02:37 <hyperair> apt-get and aptitude are showing different packages
2015-11-16 02:37 <robertsky> and letsencrypt has yet to package anything for debian or ubuntu
2015-11-16 02:37 <hyperair> boo
2015-11-16 02:38 <hyperair> sigh
2015-11-16 02:38 <hyperair> i'll package it sometime then
2015-11-16 02:38 <hyperair> no wait
2015-11-16 02:38 <hyperair> francois is working on it
2015-11-16 02:38 <hyperair> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774387
2015-11-16 02:38 <WantonMee> [ #774387 - ITP: letsencrypt -- Let's Encrypt client that can update Apache configurations - Debian Bug report logs ] - bugs.debian.org
2015-11-16 02:39 <hyperair> actually it has been uploaded
2015-11-16 02:39 <robertsky> okay
2015-11-16 02:39 <hyperair> okay imma do the thing and backport it to ubuntu via ppa
2015-11-16 02:40 <hyperair> by the way, what are we running on?
2015-11-16 02:40 <robertsky> their install instruction has yet to be updated then.
2015-11-16 02:40 <robertsky> git.
2015-11-16 02:40 <robertsky> lol
2015-11-16 02:40 <hyperair> oh azure
2015-11-16 02:40 <hyperair> no i mean the vm
2015-11-16 02:40 <robertsky> ah
2015-11-16 02:40 <hyperair> does azure emulate the full machine, or does it do some half-assed thing where you can't upgrade the kernel like aws?
2015-11-16 02:42 <Alex> hyperair: AWS does let you upgrade the kernel.
2015-11-16 02:42 <Alex> That's the difference between Paravirtualisation and HVM - which has been the case for quite a few years now.
2015-11-16 02:42 <hyperair> sorry, not familiar with the terms
2015-11-16 02:42 <hyperair> afaik you need to go into the aws console and do some poking around to change the kernel, right?
2015-11-16 02:42 <Alex> No.
2015-11-16 02:42 <Alex> That was the case when still using PV (which is a Xen thing)
2015-11-16 02:42 <hyperair> aaaah
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> so it's changed since then
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> nice
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> very nice
2015-11-16 02:43 <Alex> You are 100% correct it used to be like that, yeah
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> i really hated that aspect of aws back then
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> i needed aufs, and i couldn't get it
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> and i was raging so hard
2015-11-16 02:43 <hyperair> actually i needed either aufs or overlayfs
2015-11-16 02:44 <hyperair> the default ubuntu kernel had either of those already, but aws's custom kernel didn't, and i couldn't replace it with ubuntu's stock kernel
2015-11-16 02:44 <Alex> *nod* - most new images now use HVM rather than PV - PV is like Xen's original approach - where it doesn't do full virtualisation. HVM does full kernel virtualisation (http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/virtualization_types.html)
2015-11-16 02:44 <WantonMee> [ Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2015-11-16 02:44 <Alex> s/kernel/hardware/
2015-11-16 02:44 <WantonMee> Alex meant to say: *nod* - most new images now use HVM rather than PV - PV is like Xen's original approach - where it doesn't do full virtualisation. HVM does full hardware virtualisation (http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/virtualization_types.html)
2015-11-16 02:44 <hyperair> very nice
2015-11-16 02:45 <hyperair> okay, back to the question... does azure do HVM?
2015-11-16 02:45 <robertsky> no idea.
2015-11-16 02:45 <hyperair> the mounts show /dev/sda1 rather than /dev/xvda1 which is promising
2015-11-16 02:45 <robertsky> I use primarily Digital Ocean.
2015-11-16 02:46 <hyperair> cj should know
2015-11-16 02:46 <hyperair> lemme poke him
2015-11-16 02:47 <robertsky> lol
2015-11-16 02:48 <hyperair> meh, i think we have grub
2015-11-16 02:48 <hyperair> yolo and let's do it
2015-11-16 02:48 <Alex> I think Azure does it, yeah
2015-11-16 02:50 <robertsky> lols.
2015-11-16 02:50 <robertsky> looks like we have to set the cron job ourselves. http://letsencrypt.readthedocs.org/en/latest/using.html#renewal
2015-11-16 02:50 <WantonMee> [ User Guide — Let's Encrypt 0.1.0.dev0 documentation ] - letsencrypt.readthedocs.org
2015-11-16 02:51 <robertsky> so much for automation. lols.
2015-11-16 03:11 <hyperair> the ubuntu package might have something
2015-11-16 03:11 <hyperair> a lot of the packages that require cronjobs drop a file into /etc/cron.d
2015-11-16 03:11 <hyperair> if an unprivileged user is needed, that's also done
2015-11-16 03:16 <robertsky> yeah...
2015-11-16 03:16 <robertsky> for now, i will just manually do the renewal when the time comes.
2015-11-16 03:22 <hyperair> yeah
2015-11-16 03:22 <hyperair> do they send email reminders?
2015-11-16 03:22 <hyperair> would be nice if they did
2015-11-16 03:28 <hendry> Containers are the future. Virtualisation is for the meek. https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/665894439873724416
2015-11-16 03:28 <WantonMee> [ Kai Hendry on Twitter: "Glad I made the decision to get an @IntelNUC, @ViewQwest & run @docker containers https://t.co/uYlN2t8I79 esp after https://t.co/44Dk2OOKNH" ] - twitter.com
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2015-11-16 03:36 <hyperair> i like how a significant number of hendry's controversial statements are clickbaits to his tweets or blog posts
2015-11-16 03:36 <hyperair> mv hendry buzzfeed
2015-11-16 03:37 <icedwater> Also he comments on other peoples' posts sharing his own blog posts, and advertises for his services at the bottom of every post. Whether or not it's relevant.
2015-11-16 03:38 <icedwater> "I got a new WiiU..." >> "If you like this you might like Webconverger"
2015-11-16 03:38 <github> [hackerspace.sg] chernjie created jekyll (+4 new commits): http://git.io/v4nCx
2015-11-16 03:38 <github> hackerspace.sg/jekyll 05f9c79 CJ: Initial commit of Jekyll
2015-11-16 03:38 <github> hackerspace.sg/jekyll b0fcb6d CJ: move some contents to root directory
2015-11-16 03:38 <github> hackerspace.sg/jekyll cb17f77 CJ: Move plenum to root directory
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2015-11-16 03:46 <hendry> hyperair: got to back up my statements with 140 chars!
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2015-11-16 03:47 <Alex> Top Social Media Tipa from this savvy entreprenuer that will BLOW YOUR MIND
2015-11-16 03:48 <Alex> tips, dammit.
2015-11-16 03:50 <hendry> oh cj is moving from punch to jekyll
2015-11-16 03:50 <hendry> oh well
2015-11-16 03:50 <hendry> got to get worse before it's gets better
2015-11-16 03:51 <hendry> roll on the scss, code highlighting, tags, categories & other bloat!
2015-11-16 03:51 <github> [hackerspace.sg] hyperair created pull/132/head (+2 new commits): http://git.io/v4n4l
2015-11-16 03:51 <github> hackerspace.sg/pull/132/head 2a58ca4 Chow Loong Jin: Update more http -> https links
2015-11-16 03:51 <github> hackerspace.sg/pull/132/head be6ee87 Chow Loong Jin: Update links in MembershipAgreement...
2015-11-16 03:51 <hendry> guess i should be thankful robertsky didn't deploy workdpress
2015-11-16 03:52 <github> [hackerspace.sg] hyperair merged pull/132/head into fix/adjust_content_for_ssl: http://git.io/v4n4a
2015-11-16 03:52 <hendry> hyperair: I recommend changing the links to // not https://
2015-11-16 03:53 <hendry> since // is shorter and works if the SSL site is fecked up. got forbid there will be a problem with the certs somewhere down the road?
2015-11-16 03:53 <github> [hackerspace.sg] hyperair deleted pull/132/head at be6ee87: http://git.io/v4n4X
2015-11-16 03:53 <hyperair> we've got mandatory redirect to https
2015-11-16 03:53 <hyperair> so it's going to be broken regardless.
2015-11-16 03:54 <hyperair> i'm not even sure why we have absolute links with the domain inside the content
2015-11-16 03:54 <hendry> fixing that one manadatory redirect is easier than fixing every hsg link
2015-11-16 03:54 <hyperair> git revert
2015-11-16 03:54 <hyperair> done
2015-11-16 03:54 <hendry> hyperair: yes, make them relative!
2015-11-16 03:55 <hyperair> yeah relative sounds good actually
2015-11-16 03:55 <hendry> better idea
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2015-11-16 04:26 <hyperair> hendry: i ran make locally, and /css/styles.css shows [object Object]. what's up with that?
2015-11-16 04:37 <robertsky> hyperair: yes, they do send email for reminders
2015-11-16 04:38 <hyperair> oaky good
2015-11-16 04:39 <robertsky> hendry: don't tempt me. It is fast for me to deploy a clean WordPress site.
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2015-11-16 04:39 <robertsky> If we are going to move to jekyll, i don't think we can use letsencrypt.
2015-11-16 04:41 <robertsky> the alternative for ssl then would be cloudflare.
2015-11-16 04:43 <hendry> oh how i hate cloudflare
2015-11-16 04:43 <hendry> "clean" WordPress site lol
2015-11-16 04:45 <hendry> did i ever mention that i wrote http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/wordpress.git/tree/debian/setup-mysql ?
2015-11-16 04:45 <WantonMee> [ collab-maint/wordpress - Packaging for WordPress ] - anonscm.debian.org
2015-11-16 04:54 <robertsky> that's so long ago.
2015-11-16 04:55 <robertsky> love it or hate it, cloudflare does offer free ssl for cnames.
2015-11-16 04:56 <hyperair> ACTION doesn't understand the lack of indentation for blocks inside of functions
2015-11-16 04:56 <hyperair> there's so little visual differentiation between what's inside and outside the function
2015-11-16 04:56 <hyperair> seriously, do you do javascript like this too?
2015-11-16 05:02 <ponyfleisch> new metric: source characters :)
2015-11-16 05:02 <ponyfleisch> SCOC :)
2015-11-16 05:02 <ponyfleisch> indentation == bloat
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2015-11-16 05:21 <icedwater> spaces > tabs
2015-11-16 05:28 <hendry> hyperair: are you in Pakistan ?
2015-11-16 05:28 <hendry> ponyfleisch: i do believe 4 spaces instead of a tab character to be kinda dumb
2015-11-16 05:29 <icedwater> Aww
2015-11-16 05:29 <hendry> robertsky: facebook do free SSL too, maybe we should move the site there on basis of your argument?
2015-11-16 05:32 <hendry> harish: are you in Pakistan ?
2015-11-16 05:32 <hendry> hyperair: sorry
2015-11-16 05:54 <robertsky> hendry: can facebook do cname as well? if yes, why not?
2015-11-16 05:56 <Alex> ponyfleisch: when are you back?
2015-11-16 06:03 <ponyfleisch> Alex: yesterday
2015-11-16 06:04 <ponyfleisch> hendry: well, there are arguments for both ways, i have no strong opinion, i just go with whatever is standard for the particular language. psr-2 for php says 4 spaces.
2015-11-16 06:05 <ponyfleisch> crockford says 4 spaces for js.
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2015-11-16 06:52 <github> [hackerspace.sg] hyperair pushed 1 new commit to fix/adjust_content_for_ssl: http://git.io/v4cvg
2015-11-16 06:52 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/adjust_content_for_ssl 78fec3a Chow Loong Jin: Use relative links wherever possible
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2015-11-16 07:17 <Alex> ponyfleisch: oh, welcome back. Beers soon.
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2015-11-16 08:13 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i think we've been saying that for ages now, yet i haven't seen you for so long, i completely forgot your ugly face. :-P
2015-11-16 08:14 <ponyfleisch> Alex: anyway, yes, beers soon! :)
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2015-11-17 01:42 <hendry> i've never had an issue with tabs
2015-11-17 01:43 <hendry> the only big issue with tabs, like IRC
2015-11-17 01:43 <hendry> is that newbies can't work out how to insert a tab character and view it, since they use a shitty editor like nano
2015-11-17 01:43 <hendry> i mention IRC since newbies are unable to maintain a socket connection
2015-11-17 01:44 <hendry> seperates the wheat from the chaff
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2015-11-17 05:38 <ponyfleisch> lol
2015-11-17 05:38 <ponyfleisch> hendry the unlikely techno-elitist
2015-11-17 05:39 <ponyfleisch> aaaanyway, tab vs spaces is a boring discussion. ideally, indentation should just be a representation thing
2015-11-17 05:39 <ponyfleisch> if it was for me, all source could be stored without even newlines and then just formatted for display :)
2015-11-17 05:39 <ponyfleisch> okay, no newlines would be stupid because of diffs :)
2015-11-17 05:40 <Alex> Unsure who is trolling
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2015-11-17 05:52 <ponyfleisch> maybe i'm just not very good at expressing myself here. all i'm saying is that code format should be a presentation issue, not a data issue.
2015-11-17 05:53 <ponyfleisch> and stuff like automated formatting is kind of the first step towards that, in a sense
2015-11-17 05:59 <Alex> I don't disagree
2015-11-17 06:00 <Alex> My comment is an on-going observation of this channel.
2015-11-17 06:15 <robertsky> lol
2015-11-17 06:23 <ponyfleisch> :)
2015-11-17 06:30 <harish__> hendry, yes i am
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2015-11-17 06:49 <kushal> Hello everyone.
2015-11-17 06:50 <hyperair> o/
2015-11-17 06:53 <kushal> hyperair, I wrote this https://kushaldas.in/posts/need-help-to-test-fedora-cloud-images.html yesterday. If you know anyone who can help :)
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2015-11-17 07:02 <hyperair> kushal: hmm, i doin't know anyone off the top of my head
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2015-11-17 07:29 <kushal> hyperair, no problem, just keep in mind :)
2015-11-17 07:29 <hyperair> usre
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2015-11-17 09:14 <Marlinski> got my ticket for 32C3 :D
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2015-11-17 13:44 <Lepak1> <vi> Marlinski: want make SG assembly?
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2015-11-17 14:44 <Marlinski> vi what do you mean ?
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2015-11-18 04:51 <hendry> damn, this will difficult to compete with http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/17/google-and-asus-launch-the-85-chromebit-a-chrome-os-desktop-on-an-hdmi-stick/
2015-11-18 04:51 <WantonMee> [ Google And ASUS Launch The $85 Chromebit, A Chrome OS Desktop On An HDMI Stick | TechCrunch ] - techcrunch.com
2015-11-18 05:05 <jeaye> An $85 flash drive running a watered down Linux distro. Lovely.
2015-11-18 05:06 <jeaye> ACTION wraps himself in hyperbolic clothing to make his intentions clear.
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2015-11-18 05:38 <hendry> s,watered down,locked down,
2015-11-18 06:24 <detach-> Alex: i was not able to get several of my instances to sync with NTP until I fiddled with tickadj/adjtimex
2015-11-18 06:24 <detach-> Alex: several of my machines are going wayyyyy too fast and NTP can't catch up
2015-11-18 06:24 <detach-> Alex: are you in AWS office today till Fri? I'm here for a training maybe we can grab a coffee
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2015-11-18 07:38 <Valentine> jeaye: it's not a flash drive, it's one of those stick things
2015-11-18 07:42 <Valentine> hendry: if only you took VC money to manufacture a kiosk stick, huh
2015-11-18 07:59 <jeaye> I really hoped, initially, that the hyperbole would be understood. I then provided word play with 'hyperbole,' to be safe.
2015-11-18 07:59 <jeaye> hendry: That's a fair correction.
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2015-11-18 08:47 <hendry> Valentine: if I took VC money, I would probably be burnt out and owe someone money and about to fire people
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2015-11-18 09:06 <VisitorT> hi
2015-11-18 09:07 <VisitorT> ok
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2015-11-18 09:25 <hendry> test
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2015-11-18 17:13 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v46ze
2015-11-18 17:13 <github> hackerspace.sg/master b8661d8 Robert Sim: Merge pull request #132 from hackerspacesg/fix/adjust_content_for_ssl...
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2015-11-19 02:23 <github> [hackerspace.sg] gitter-badger opened pull request #133: Add a Gitter chat badge to README.md (master...gitter-badge) http://git.io/v4XMZ
2015-11-19 02:26 <hendry> sigh, another proprietary way of chatting
2015-11-19 02:45 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky created fix/opening_visting_hours (+1 new commit): http://git.io/v4XH9
2015-11-19 02:45 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/opening_visting_hours d915f0a Robert Sim: wrt #127 discussion.
2015-11-19 02:48 <hendry> argh, have had another microSD corrupt on my ass
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2015-11-19 03:13 <downey> Say, does hackerspace lend out its space to groups to come for meetups etc? If so how does this happen?
2015-11-19 03:14 <downey> hendry: I've had too many unreliable sd cards lately
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2015-11-19 04:10 <robertsky> downey: usually you approach a member to get the meetups hosted on your behalf.
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2015-11-19 04:24 <github> [hackerspace.sg] notthetup closed pull request #133: Add a Gitter chat badge to README.md (master...gitter-badge) http://git.io/v4XMZ
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2015-11-19 05:46 <Valentine> downey: or you can sign up as a member!
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2015-11-19 11:28 <github> hackerspace.sg/fix/opening_visting_hours 55ae071 Robert Sim: change from physical presence to availability.
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2015-11-19 11:29 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky deleted fix/header_image at be53406: http://git.io/v4Dns
2015-11-19 11:37 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky opened pull request #134: Fix/opening visting hours (master...fix/opening_visting_hours) http://git.io/v4DW2
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2015-11-19 15:36 <detach-> Digital Ocean SG seems down (the console/customer panel)
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2015-11-22 08:55 <Marlinski> found this awesome tutorial on FFT: https://jackschaedler.github.io/circles-sines-signals/index.html
2015-11-22 08:55 <WantonMee> [ Circles Sines and Signals - Introduction ] - jackschaedler.github.io
2015-11-22 08:55 <Marlinski> reminds me my signal processing course at university, except it is much much much more easy to understand, I wish I had this back then :)
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2015-11-22 12:55 <Alex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg&feature=player_embedded
2015-11-22 12:55 <WantonMee> [ 'Littlebits' 'Arduino' knife-wielding tentacle - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2015-11-23 02:48 <hendry> hyperair: does setfacl replace chattr or are they for different use cases?
2015-11-23 02:48 <hyperair> different use cases
2015-11-23 02:48 <hendry> woke up to find my Debian server's disk space full
2015-11-23 02:48 <hendry> http://ix.io/mpV
2015-11-23 02:48 <hyperair> setfacl changes acls. chattr changes attributes.
2015-11-23 02:48 <hendry> even though df says i have 11GB free.
2015-11-23 02:48 <hendry> FFS
2015-11-23 02:48 <hyperair> btrfs?
2015-11-23 02:49 <hyperair> try sudo df -h?
2015-11-23 02:49 <hyperair> i think the output did change on occasion
2015-11-23 02:49 <hendry> it's an ext3 drive that never really got to ext4
2015-11-23 02:51 <hyperair> fsck it maybe?
2015-11-23 02:51 <hyperair> i don't think i've ever seen this kind of situation before, unless there was a race condition of sorts
2015-11-23 02:52 <hyperair> 11G is a bit excessive for a dpkg run
2015-11-23 02:57 <hendry> i hate how Debian machines get crufty after about 3 generations
2015-11-23 02:57 <hendry> i guess that's true of any OS
2015-11-23 02:59 <hyperair> well
2015-11-23 02:59 <hendry> going to try rescue mode https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild
2015-11-23 02:59 <hyperair> just needs some maintenance i guess
2015-11-23 02:59 <WantonMee> [ Rescue and Rebuild - Linode Guides & Tutorials ] - www.linode.com
2015-11-23 03:00 <hyperair> you can do an aptitude search for stuff inside the oldlibs section and purge those
2015-11-23 03:00 <hyperair> my ubuntu installation is from 2008.
2015-11-23 03:02 <hendry> /dev/xvda on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,acl,barrier=0,data=writeback)
2015-11-23 03:02 <hendry> need to tune this to ext3
2015-11-23 03:02 <hendry> need to tune this to ext4
2015-11-23 03:07 <hendry> my machine was thrashed last night at 9PM
2015-11-23 03:15 <Alex> hendry: when are you back from KL?
2015-11-23 03:16 <hendry> Alex: nope, still in PJ
2015-11-23 03:16 <hendry> Alex: btw, I don't think I ever got through to AWS support
2015-11-23 03:18 <hendry> ok, phew. server is back in action.
2015-11-23 03:19 <Alex> hendry: When are you back from Malaysia?
2015-11-23 03:19 <Alex> Not are you, but when are you
2015-11-23 03:19 <Alex> As in, when do you move back to here :)
2015-11-23 03:19 <hendry> Alex: end of the year I guess
2015-11-23 03:19 <Alex> cool
2015-11-23 03:19 <hendry> I was in Singapore briefly last Monday
2015-11-23 03:20 <hendry> Alex: when are you in KL?
2015-11-23 03:21 <Alex> No plans right now. But wanted to see whether you'd be back by Jan - we miss you :'(
2015-11-23 03:22 <hendry> aww, that's insane
2015-11-23 03:23 <hendry> Alex: are you on the HSG mailing list btw?
2015-11-23 03:25 <Alex> I feel like yes, but I think I filter it
2015-11-23 03:25 <Alex> yep, I am
2015-11-23 03:25 <hendry> you must have seen my last post
2015-11-23 03:26 <hendry> find that getty stuff very irritating
2015-11-23 03:29 <hendry> Alex: did you see http://engineers.sg/v/426 ? I think stephan used every AWS tech under the sun for a 5 line procmail script ;)
2015-11-23 03:29 <WantonMee> [ Building Scalable Email Processor with AWS - Neo Tech Talks - Engineers.SG ] - engineers.sg
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2015-11-23 03:50 <hendry> hmm, is nagios now shinken in Debian?
2015-11-23 03:53 <hyperair> doesn't appear to be a rename
2015-11-23 03:54 <hyperair> the description says it's a nagios-compatible thing written in python.
2015-11-23 04:09 <hendry> hyperair: i searched for nagios on Debian stable on shinken appears. Not nagios
2015-11-23 04:09 <hendry> that explains some things
2015-11-23 04:58 <Alex> hendry: haha, I really enjoyed it though, was interesting to see how he'd glued it together. Keep trying to convince him to chuck Lambda in there ;-)
2015-11-23 05:28 <hyperair> hendry: is it not this? https://packages.debian.org/sid/nagios3
2015-11-23 05:29 <WantonMee> [ Debian -- Details of package nagios3 in sid ] - packages.debian.org
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2015-11-23 06:58 <hendry> whoa, some crazy gnuplot deps in Fedora http://s.natalian.org/2015-11-23/1448261878_1912x1036.png
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2015-11-23 07:36 <hendry> TIL chmod X is different to x
2015-11-23 09:46 <hendry> Valentine: did you make the backup of hsgice ?
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2015-11-23 13:23 <Valentine> hendry: if it's 1.84GB, yes
2015-11-23 13:44 <hendry> Valentine: no it's more like 8 or 9
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2015-11-24 04:05 <kushal> Good morning everyone.
2015-11-24 04:20 <Valentine> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/now-available-ec2-dedicated-hosts/
2015-11-24 04:20 <WantonMee> [ Now Available – EC2 Dedicated Hosts | AWS Official Blog ] - aws.amazon.com
2015-11-24 04:20 <Valentine> sweet cc Alex
2015-11-24 04:22 <Lepak1> <vi> That doesn’t seem especially interesting tbh.
2015-11-24 04:22 <Lepak1> <vi> Unless you buy software (?!?!) or want to control risk of resource contention from neighbouring instances.
2015-11-24 04:56 <Alex> The resource contention really isn't a common problem - it is primarily a licensing thing, yeah.
2015-11-24 04:56 <Alex> And to be clear, it doesn't mean you get baremetal access
2015-11-24 04:56 <Alex> I know licensing seems dull but many companies have to worry about it.
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2015-11-24 07:00 <hendry> i prefer to call them subscriptions http://webconverger.org/blog/2015/Webconverger_33_release/
2015-11-24 07:00 <WantonMee> [ Webconverger 33 release ] - webconverger.org
2015-11-24 07:00 <hendry> i.e. sell a service with open source
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2015-11-25 02:29 <hyperair> wow, roy schestowitz uses webconverger.
2015-11-25 02:29 <hyperair> ACTION was surprised to see it come up on tuxmachines
2015-11-25 02:29 <hyperair> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82750
2015-11-25 02:30 <WantonMee> [ Webconverger 33 release | Tux Machines ] - www.tuxmachines.org
2015-11-25 02:30 <hyperair> and even more surprised to see the name
2015-11-25 02:30 <ponyfleisch> heh, third hit on google: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.sg/2007/09/roy-schestowitz-liar.html
2015-11-25 02:30 <WantonMee> [ Linux liars and "advocates" to avoid: The Roy Schestowitz liar ] - linuxidiots.blogspot.sg
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2015-11-25 02:32 <hyperair> ponyfleisch: pretty much so
2015-11-25 02:32 <hyperair> ponyfleisch: i think he was pretty well known for the FUD on novell and mono
2015-11-25 02:32 <hyperair> had a little cult following of his own too
2015-11-25 02:32 <ponyfleisch> that blog is gold though
2015-11-25 02:32 <hyperair> i know, i saw
2015-11-25 02:32 <hyperair> lol
2015-11-25 02:33 <hyperair> but seriously, shitposting at that level doesn't do jack shit
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2015-11-25 09:29 <hendry> wut
2015-11-25 09:29 <hendry> i think i've successfully integrated stripe today
2015-11-25 09:29 <hendry> just need to activate my account
2015-11-25 09:29 <hendry> the API seems alarmingly similar to Braintree's... except for it's brain dead error handling
2015-11-25 09:30 <hendry> Braintree's is actually better in this regard
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2015-11-25 10:05 <icedwater> Are there any WebAudio reference texts already published? :/
2015-11-25 10:11 <Marlinski> an entier blogspot site dedicated to investigate and draw people's as fool (or idiot)
2015-11-25 10:11 <Marlinski> sounds silly and rather pointless
2015-11-25 10:12 <Marlinski> I wouldn't trust such website and even if it were true, I wouldn't give too much credit to a website whose sole purpose is to bring negativity around him
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2015-11-25 14:11 <icedwater> Just gonna stick to the WebRTC ones I'd found before, I guess.
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2015-11-26 00:52 <icedwater> Hello :D
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2015-11-26 02:41 <hyperair> Marlinski: you talking about linuxidiots.blogspot.sg?
2015-11-26 03:06 <ponyfleisch> Marlinski: yeah, erm, i didn't embrace that kind of writing. it's just kind of amusing to see the impotent, foam-at-mouth rage of some random internet nobody
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2015-11-26 03:21 <hendry> https://youtu.be/uJI0WxXTvTw <--- if anyone is interested in the payment options in Singapore
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2015-11-26 04:42 <Marlinski> my app is finally on the store https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.disrupted.rumble and here is the github repo https://github.com/Marlinski/Rumble
2015-11-26 05:36 <hyperair> ponyfleisch, Marlinski: it helps to note that schestowitz also indulged in that kind of thing, with boycottnovell and techrgihts
2015-11-26 05:37 <hyperair> techrights*
2015-11-26 05:41 <Marlinski> what do you mean ?
2015-11-26 05:45 <hyperair> he was quite infamous for shitting on the mono community extensively and spreading a lot of FUD on the matter.
2015-11-26 05:47 <hyperair> and he had followers who would go around and lobby with people in distros to remove mono and all of the things that use it, claiming that mono wasn't free and was dangerous to use, and all that
2015-11-26 05:48 <Marlinski> I don't know this guy and actually I couldn't care less :)
2015-11-26 05:49 <Marlinski> was just pointing that website designated for the sole purpose of fingerpointing other people and shed negativity all around should be despised as much as nazi
2015-11-26 05:50 <hyperair> yeah i know
2015-11-26 05:50 <hyperair> it's really not the right way to do things
2015-11-26 05:50 <hyperair> but i'm just pointing out that he's not exactly an angel either
2015-11-26 05:52 <Marlinski> that's victim blaming
2015-11-26 05:52 <Marlinski> :)
2015-11-26 05:53 <Marlinski> I'm kidding, actually I don't want to be his advocate
2015-11-26 05:53 <Marlinski> cause I really have no idea who he is and not that interested in discovering it
2015-11-26 05:54 <hyperair> Marlinski: http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/51
2015-11-26 05:54 <hyperair> a more sane view on the issue
2015-11-26 05:54 <hyperair> if you feel like reading it
2015-11-26 05:56 <Marlinski> interesting I'll read it
2015-11-26 05:57 <Marlinski> however some affirmation would certainly require serious backing especially "Secondly, software patents these days are rarely (if ever) exercised by anyone other than patent trolls."
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2015-11-26 05:58 <hyperair> it's an old article
2015-11-26 05:58 <hyperair> 2008
2015-11-26 05:58 <hyperair> but then again it's also an old issue[
2015-11-26 06:10 <Marlinski> I see
2015-11-26 06:11 <hyperair> in any case, it looks mostly like he's won -- mono's half-dead these days, most of the C# applications out there are unmaintained and bitrotting their way to slow death
2015-11-26 06:11 <hyperair> most of the linux-based C# ones that is
2015-11-26 06:31 <Marlinski> Yeah, I don't know if it's a shame or if it was a bad idea from the statr
2015-11-26 06:31 <Marlinski> but I feel bad for all those who invest a lot of time in it
2015-11-26 06:31 <Marlinski> that must be an aweful feeling :/
2015-11-26 06:33 <hyperair> Marlinski: the awful feeling mainly stems from trying to figure out what to cull, as a downstream distro package maintainer.
2015-11-26 06:33 <hyperair> whenever upstream goes dark, downstream either abandons the project, or picks it up
2015-11-26 06:34 <hyperair> at one point of time i was accumulating dead projects myself
2015-11-26 06:45 <Marlinski> yeah that must be rather confusing
2015-11-26 06:45 <hyperair> not really confusing, but after a while you feel the weight yourself
2015-11-26 06:46 <hyperair> and because you can't take care of everything, you leave the projects dead, and become the last point of contact waiting for an interested party to come and relieve you of your post.
2015-11-26 06:46 <hyperair> at least, that's how upstream project handover is supposed to happen
2015-11-26 06:46 <hyperair> not this clusterfuck of github forks
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2015-11-27 00:36 <icedwater> Hey folks :D
2015-11-27 00:49 <icedwater> l
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2015-11-27 05:41 <hendry> are you supposed to run npm -g? http://s.natalian.org/2015-11-27/1448602846_1912x1036.png
2015-11-27 06:27 <hyperair> are you supposed to run foreign package managers on a global level?
2015-11-27 06:27 <hyperair> same thing
2015-11-27 06:29 <hendry> hyperair: i don't think so, but that's what the https://github.com/jsbin/jsbin/ README sez
2015-11-27 06:29 <hyperair> yeah well, upstreams tend to give stupid installation instructions like that
2015-11-27 06:30 <hyperair> like sudo make install
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2015-11-27 06:37 <hendry> https://github.com/kaihendry/gauge
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2015-11-27 06:43 <hendry> openstack ... http://www.computerworlduk.com/cloud-computing/guardian-goes-all-in-on-aws-public-cloud-after-openstack-disaster-3629790/
2015-11-27 06:43 <hendry> i tried it and it was the worse implemented bullshit i've seen in a long time
2015-11-27 06:43 <hendry> openoffice scale of shitware
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2015-11-29 02:09 <hendry> is it just me who thinks a CODE_OF_CONDUCT in a project somehow physically repulsive in itself? http://s.natalian.org/2015-11-29/1448762917_1912x1036.png
2015-11-29 02:52 <hendry> Alex_: how do sites typically track if people are logged into their service with AWS I wonder?
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2015-11-29 03:14 <Alex_> You mean like using Cognito?
2015-11-29 03:18 <hendry> Alex_: does that give you basically PHP sessions?
2015-11-29 03:27 <Alex_> Cognito allows you to authenticate to third parties without having to write that integration yourself, and handles the single authenticated session bit of it. I haven't looked at it from a PHP point of view to be honest -- only JS (building a no-backend-code site, using S3 + Dynamo + Cognito etc) -- http://docs.aws.amazon.com/cognito/devguide/ might be more useful than me.
2015-11-29 03:28 <Alex_> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/aws-sdk-php/v2/guide/service-cognitoidentity.html - that looks pretty reasonable actually.
2015-11-29 05:20 <hendry> Alex_: http://natalian.org/2015/11/29/Neighbourhood_watch_on_the_Web/
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2015-11-29 06:35 <ponyflei1ch> hendry: erm, dude. you could probably write a KISS session management in node in like 4 lines of code
2015-11-29 06:35 <ponyflei1ch> php sessions are just cookies + saved serialized data
2015-11-29 06:48 <ponyflei1ch> hendry: also, how was she robbed? because it seems that the simplest solution would be a panic button in each home which immediately shuts the main gate and alerts the guard (though what are they gonna do to stop a dude with a knife on a bike?)
2015-11-29 06:48 <ponyflei1ch> but then robbers would just tie up the people so they can't raise an alarm i guess?
2015-11-29 06:48 <ponyflei1ch> or kill them
2015-11-29 06:49 <ponyflei1ch> burglaries and robberies in gated communities seem to be entirely avoidable by having actual guards that do their job, i think
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2015-11-29 09:49 <notthetup> hello hackers!
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2015-11-29 12:45 <hendry> ponyflei1ch: one of the ideas of http://natalian.org/2015/11/29/Neighbourhood_watch_on_the_Web/ is to make the guards accountable
2015-11-29 12:46 <hendry> if they don't show up then they suck
2015-11-29 12:46 <hendry> notthetup: please don't hack my computer or my wife's gmail account
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2015-11-29 13:06 <icedwater> notthetup: welcome back, I suppose?
2015-11-29 13:06 <icedwater> Everything set up nicely?
2015-11-29 13:52 <notthetup> yup
2015-11-29 13:52 <notthetup> finally got my bouncer back
2015-11-29 14:26 <icedwater> Heh well done.
2015-11-29 14:26 <icedwater> Switching to AC power..
2015-11-29 14:26 <icedwater> Might just go to sleep
2015-11-29 14:26 <icedwater> :P
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2015-11-29 16:15 <icedwater> Tampines Changkat CC is near where makerfaire was, right notthetup?
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2015-11-29 23:28 <notthetup> icedwater yea.. it was in the school next door
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2015-11-30 02:07 <icedwater> Nice. I'll be heading there for a wrestling event on Saturday :D
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2015-11-30 06:04 <keepat1> hi does anyone here have pgp? I just set up and would like to test if it works (am a beginner re pgp)
2015-11-30 06:05 <hyperair> i do
2015-11-30 06:05 <hyperair> my key is 0x588752a1
2015-11-30 06:08 <keepat1> OK. Should I type my key here too? (sorry quite new at this)
2015-11-30 06:09 <hyperair> just the fingerprint
2015-11-30 06:09 <hyperair> what do you want to test?
2015-11-30 06:09 <keepat1> 0E91 79F4 E858 1B88 827D  86FC FC6D C1D7 E36B 538D
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2015-11-30 06:10 <keepat1> just trying to see if I can send a message - will try and send one
2015-11-30 06:14 <hyperair> a bit hard to use it in irc i think
2015-11-30 06:15 <hyperair> gpg messages tend to be multi-line
2015-11-30 06:20 <keepat1> Oh I only managed to encrypt it in the program, I thought it could send emails from there
2015-11-30 06:25 <keepat1> Should I send it to one of your emails?
2015-11-30 06:31 <keepat1> I sent a message to the first email on the list haha probably did it wrong
2015-11-30 06:31 <keepat1> anyway thanks
2015-11-30 06:32 <hyperair> keepat1: i just replied
2015-11-30 06:33 <hyperair> looks like you did it right
2015-11-30 06:34 <keepat1> Hahahaha
2015-11-30 06:34 <keepat1> yay
2015-11-30 06:34 <keepat1> Thanks
2015-11-30 06:36 <keepat1> am I supposed to get Thunderbird or something? enigmail?
2015-11-30 06:52 <icedwater> Hey guys, is a git repo a good place to back up a bunch of git repos?
2015-11-30 06:52 <hyperair> well, whichever mail client you use, you should get some gpg integration for it
2015-11-30 06:52 <hyperair> keepat1: ^
2015-11-30 06:52 <hyperair> i use mutt
2015-11-30 06:52 <hyperair> icedwater: usually not..
2015-11-30 06:53 <keepat1> ok will check it out. Thanks
2015-11-30 06:53 <icedwater> Previously I just tarballed the whole $HOME for git, but there's a lot of redundancy and I need a more intelligent way to pack stuff
2015-11-30 06:53 <hyperair> so you want to put the entire $HOME under git?
2015-11-30 06:53 <hyperair> can lah
2015-11-30 06:54 <icedwater> No no, I have gitlab set up on one of the servers and previously I'd just been tarballing the entire setup so I could restore it
2015-11-30 06:54 <hyperair> but if you're just talking about backing up a bunch of git repos, i'd pack them into little bare repos, run git gc to shrink them as much as possible, and then rsync them around like that
2015-11-30 06:54 <hyperair> ah
2015-11-30 06:54 <hyperair> hmm
2015-11-30 06:54 <hyperair> i dunno, maybe btrfs snapshots
2015-11-30 06:54 <hyperair> how far back do you want to go?
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> That worked until recently when one of my colleagues needed to share some binaries with people outside our dept... 33GB worth of binaries
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> I did NOT anticipate that
2015-11-30 06:55 <hyperair> ..
2015-11-30 06:55 <hyperair> lol
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> Especially not coming from one of the more git-savvy colleague
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> s*
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> But urgh
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> Btrfs, huh
2015-11-30 06:55 <icedwater> I'd need a drive to set that up on...
2015-11-30 06:55 <ponyfleisch> hrm
2015-11-30 06:56 <icedwater> ls
2015-11-30 06:56 <icedwater> Oops
2015-11-30 06:56 <ponyfleisch> git is actually great to just back up as is, because it itself is kind of incremental
2015-11-30 06:56 <ponyfleisch> so no need for incremental backups
2015-11-30 06:56 <ponyfleisch> except that history can be rewritten :(
2015-11-30 06:57 <hyperair> ponyfleisch: well, there are reflogs..
2015-11-30 06:57 <hyperair> but reflogs expire
2015-11-30 06:57 <icedwater> Yeah that's why I went with just the tarball, ponyfleisch ... but now the daily backups are a pain because the 33GB of stuff is not going to change much
2015-11-30 06:57 <hyperair> so the same question pops back up -- how far back you wanna go?
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2015-11-30 06:58 <hyperair> is this a "in case hard disk dies, i want to be able to restore to last good state" kind of scenario...
2015-11-30 06:58 <hyperair> or is this something like "in case someone fucks up bad and we don't notice for a couple of weeks, i want to go back to before the fuckup happened"
2015-11-30 06:58 <hyperair> because these scenarios have different solutions
2015-11-30 06:59 <icedwater> It's a bit of both, because the git stuff is on a relatively old piece of hardware. I'll probably have to design something for both cases.
2015-11-30 06:59 <hyperair> yeah.. well
2015-11-30 07:00 <icedwater> In any case I will need to get the outside colleagues to download the binaries from another location on our server.
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2015-11-30 07:00 <icedwater> What does git gc do?
2015-11-30 07:00 <hyperair> garbage collect
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> expires reflogs, cleans up stuff not pointed to, repacks stuff
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> i mean packs loose objects into packs
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> packs are delta-compressed, whatever that means
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> loose objects aren't compressed
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> (i think)
2015-11-30 07:01 <hyperair> so there's quite some savings to be gotten from git gc
2015-11-30 07:01 <icedwater> Ah I'm reading it now anyway.
2015-11-30 07:02 <notthetup> is it like Java GC? or a real GC?
2015-11-30 07:02 <icedwater> Ooh reflogs expire in 90 days by default...
2015-11-30 07:02 <notthetup> Java GC "hints" the runtime to run a GC..
2015-11-30 07:03 <hyperair> notthetup: real gc.
2015-11-30 07:03 <hyperair> notthetup: no point hinting to git to run a gc.
2015-11-30 07:03 <notthetup> true :P
2015-11-30 07:03 <notthetup> just checking
2015-11-30 07:03 <hyperair> it's not like git acts like a daemon
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> :)
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> git-daemon is a special case of course
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> but git-daemon doesn't do gc
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> git-daemon is readonly, and not present on RHEL6
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> ACTION shakes fist
2015-11-30 07:04 <icedwater> Also did you know that there is a cardboard foosball table at level 2 of block 73
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> no i didn't
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> by cardboard, you mean like those cardboard chairs that maker's block had?
2015-11-30 07:04 <icedwater> It is pretty cool, but quite dusty now because of the construction site next door
2015-11-30 07:04 <hyperair> aw
2015-11-30 07:06 <icedwater> Never been to maker's block, but this is it: http://kickpack-shop.de/en/kartoni
2015-11-30 07:06 <icedwater> It's white on the outside but dusty on the inside lol.
2015-11-30 07:44 <hyperair> yeah that sort of thing
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2015-11-30 09:31 <notthetup> PWL later
2015-11-30 09:31 <notthetup> who's coming?
2015-11-30 09:33 <ponyfleisch> heh. PWL. why not? it's not that i don't already feel stupid.
2015-11-30 09:36 <ponyfleisch> (not sure i can make it tbh)
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2015-11-30 09:40 <icedwater> Me, I suppose. See you later
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2015-11-30 22:47 <notthetup> hyperair: I forgot to bring the pliers down today.. I'll make another trip for them sometime this week
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2015-12-01 09:36 <icedwater> Happy December, folks :P
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2015-12-01 11:24 <notthetup> yay december!
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2015-12-01 11:47 <hyperair> notthetup: you've now held onto the pliers past the month boundary
2015-12-01 11:47 <hyperair> ACTION sends the loan sharks
2015-12-01 11:48 <notthetup> noooo :(
2015-12-01 11:48 <hyperair> hahah
2015-12-01 11:48 <notthetup> i have them with me.. I'll try to drop by on the way back today'
2015-12-01 11:48 <hyperair> 👍
2015-12-01 11:48 <notthetup> i put them in my bag, so the weight will annoy me :p
2015-12-01 11:48 <hyperair> in the future, try not to remove tools from hsg
2015-12-01 11:49 <hyperair> we only have one copy of most stuff
2015-12-01 11:49 <notthetup> sorry.. :(
2015-12-01 11:49 <hyperair> well, nobody's needed to use it recently
2015-12-01 12:04 <icedwater> Loan sharks for pliers?!
2015-12-01 12:04 <icedwater> So you need to return two now?
2015-12-01 12:09 <icedwater> Or can you negotiate the interest rate in screws
2015-12-01 12:14 <hyperair> lol
2015-12-01 12:14 <hyperair> screws sound good
2015-12-01 12:14 <hyperair> :D
2015-12-01 12:14 <hyperair> or maybe threaded rods
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2015-12-01 17:55 <hendry> Valentine: have you seen https://github.com/kaihendry/lk ?
2015-12-01 17:55 <hendry> Valentine: could do with some help making the thumbnails looking good
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2015-12-01 21:45 <ponyfleisch> hendry: replacing resize.NearestNeighbour with resize.Bicubic would do a lot to improve it probably.
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2015-12-02 09:35 <notthetup> hyperair just dropped back the pilers
2015-12-02 09:41 <hendry> mornink
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2015-12-02 11:01 <hyperair> notthetup: yay thanks
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2015-12-02 16:56 <hendry> ummm, invited to CounterStrike to play tonight
2015-12-02 16:56 <hendry> IIUC since Google reveals tons of dodgy links, people get CS only from Steam?
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2015-12-02 17:17 <hyperair> yeah pretty much
2015-12-02 17:18 <hyperair> actually back in the day, there were pirated copies of steamless CS going around
2015-12-02 17:18 <hendry> but there are like 4 CS packages on Steam. I know I'm playing people with CS 1.3 on Windows. Which one will work ?
2015-12-02 17:19 <hyperair> i don't know
2015-12-02 17:19 <hyperair> lemme check
2015-12-02 17:19 <hyperair> 1.3 seems really old though
2015-12-02 17:19 <hyperair> i think i used to play 1.6 a decade ago
2015-12-02 17:19 <hendry> ponyfleisch: i would appreciate a review of https://github.com/kaihendry/clockin
2015-12-02 17:19 <WantonMee> [ kaihendry/clockin · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-02 17:21 <hyperair> hendry: probably counter strike itself, nothing trailing
2015-12-02 17:24 <hendry> hyperair: oh it says you own the game :)
2015-12-02 17:24 <hyperair> hendry: i own all the valve games. free package for ubuntu developers.
2015-12-02 17:24 <hyperair> or was it debian developers?
2015-12-02 17:24 <hendry> omg, release date... year 2000 ! WAT
2015-12-02 17:24 <hyperair> hahahahahaa
2015-12-02 17:25 <hyperair> yes it's old
2015-12-02 17:26 <hendry> i can't work out how to download it... damn, feel like an idiot
2015-12-02 17:27 <hyperair> hendry: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html
2015-12-02 17:27 <WantonMee> [ Valve games for Debian Developers ] - lists.debian.org
2015-12-02 17:27 <hyperair> um click install in the steam client, i think
2015-12-02 17:28 <hendry> oh shit, I can't buy it since I have raise a ticket because my CC is Singapore and I'm in Malaysia. Sigh.
2015-12-02 17:30 <hyperair> lol
2015-12-02 17:30 <hyperair> go borrow a windows computer?
2015-12-02 17:50 <ponyfleisch> hendry: you could probably simplify it by not using php sessions. just do the cookie stuff yourself.
2015-12-02 17:50 <ponyfleisch> what is the info you use to authenticate? as i see it, everyone can enter everything
2015-12-02 17:51 <ponyfleisch> i mean, i just need to put in any ic and i can clock in?
2015-12-02 17:52 <hendry> ponyfleisch: yes
2015-12-02 17:52 <ponyfleisch> so save the info in a file named $ic.json
2015-12-02 17:52 <hendry> ponyfleisch: PHP sessions seems simpler that using cookies? it's like one line
2015-12-02 17:52 <ponyfleisch> and just save the ic in a cookie
2015-12-02 17:52 <ponyfleisch> that way you can easily use multiple devices
2015-12-02 17:53 <ponyfleisch> well, you're still manually removing cookies i see?
2015-12-02 17:53 <ponyfleisch> but sure
2015-12-02 17:53 <hendry> only when the user wants to log out ?
2015-12-02 17:53 <hendry> i mean "clock out"
2015-12-02 17:53 <ponyfleisch> first, to make it useful for multiple devices, you'll probably need to separate login from clock in/clock out
2015-12-02 17:54 <ponyfleisch> sure, i guess you can stick to sessions too
2015-12-02 17:54 <hendry> https://github.com/kaihendry/clockin/blob/master/clockout.php#L28 is boiler plate close because session_destroy() sadly doesn't seem to kill the cookie iiuc
2015-12-02 17:54 <WantonMee> [ clockin/clockout.php at master · kaihendry/clockin · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-02 17:54 <ponyfleisch> and save the file reference in the session as you do
2015-12-02 17:55 <hendry> not sure i follow. the ux is logging in from another device is that the user will find he's "Already on duty"
2015-12-02 17:55 <hendry> let me double check that actually
2015-12-02 17:56 <hendry> yes, logging in from another device will find he's already on duty. I think that's right? no ?
2015-12-02 18:00 <ponyfleisch> yeah, sure. can they clock out from that device then?
2015-12-02 18:02 <ponyfleisch> anyway, i still find your way to structure stuff bad. i'm not sure how useful my feedback can be. one obvious issue is the duplication of html in index.php and clockin.php
2015-12-02 18:11 <hendry> there is some code dup, i know. just worried if i missed something with sessions themselves
2015-12-02 18:12 <hendry> if they clock out from any device, the user is clocked out from all devices effectively
2015-12-02 18:12 <hendry> the user on other devices will not know though
2015-12-02 18:13 <hendry> not quite sure how to implement that... a poll to check user is still logged in ?
2015-12-02 18:15 <ponyfleisch> well. i would do the whole thing in node nowadays anyway. and i guess socket.io. would be extremely easy to do
2015-12-02 18:15 <ponyfleisch> others would probably use meteor :)
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2015-12-02 23:33 <downey> hello world :-)
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2015-12-02 23:58 <icedwater> Goodnight, down- oh
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2015-12-03 08:32 <hendry> every node project I've touched goes against my grain of reducing dependencies and such
2015-12-03 08:33 <hendry> jsbin is good but i can't even get it to install https://github.com/jsbin/jsbin/blob/master/package.json
2015-12-03 08:33 <WantonMee> [ jsbin/package.json at master · jsbin/jsbin · GitHub ] - github.com
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2015-12-03 08:44 <hendry> i wonder how nodejs handles escaping and such. I guess people use moustache type templates.
2015-12-03 08:44 <hendry> I am so _sick_ of PHP's htmlspecialchars( $_GET['foobar'], ENT_QUOTES, 'UTF-8' ); // puke
2015-12-03 08:48 <notthetup> https://whispersystems.org/blog/signal-desktop/
2015-12-03 08:48 <WantonMee> [ Open Whisper Systems >> Blog >> Signal Desktop ] - whispersystems.org
2015-12-03 08:48 <notthetup> yay!
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2015-12-03 12:40 <hendry> notthetup: only works with the Android client IIUC from the comments
2015-12-03 12:52 <notthetup> yea
2015-12-03 12:53 <notthetup> but knowing the whsiper systems guys, I know that'll change soon
2015-12-03 12:53 <notthetup> i think they're Android first since most of their users are on Android
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2015-12-03 13:34 <hendry> pity they aren't Web first
2015-12-03 13:34 <hendry> I guess they want you to maintain your own secret key on your device
2015-12-03 13:35 <hendry> i lost my first key IIUC when I upgraded to iPhone6S from iPhone6...
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2015-12-03 15:36 <ponyfleisch> hendry: if you have to use htmlspecialchars() you're doing php the wrong way
2015-12-03 15:36 <ponyfleisch> it's not 2004 anymore
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2015-12-03 18:05 <kdas> hyperair: Valentine Kushal here, we need some volunteers (online) to help with data for Chennai Floods.
2015-12-03 18:06 <hyperair> what help do you need?
2015-12-03 18:06 <kdas> hyperair: there is slack group where people are coordinating all these work, who ever wants to help I am forwarding their email ids to that team.
2015-12-03 18:07 <kdas> for http://chennairains.org/
2015-12-03 18:07 <WantonMee> [ #ChennaiRains Resource Center ] - chennairains.org
2015-12-03 18:12 <kdas> hyperair: so I am trying to find those volunteers
2015-12-03 18:15 <icedwater> So you just need people to help coordinate volunteer work, i.e. make sure there are enough people assigned to a particular task?
2015-12-03 18:30 <kdas> icedwater: nope, actually for cleaning up data, mapping the data into actual maps for people to resuce etc
2015-12-03 18:30 <kdas> rescue
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2015-12-03 19:00 <icedwater> kdas: that makes more sense to do remotely. Well, that's a good excuse to finally install slack I suppose...
2015-12-03 19:01 <icedwater> You can forward icedwater@gmail.com, though I'll have to install Slack first.
2015-12-03 19:01 <icedwater> Given that my phone is on strike now, it might be a bit of a challenge.
2015-12-03 19:07 <kdas>    icedwater use from deslktop
2015-12-03 19:08 <hyperair> slack has irc clients.
2015-12-03 19:08 <hyperair> i mean it has an irc server implementation
2015-12-03 19:08 <kdas> icedwater: after login dm @karthik
2015-12-03 19:08 <kdas> will be back in one hour
2015-12-03 19:10 <icedwater> q info
2015-12-03 19:10 <icedwater> Ugh
2015-12-03 21:30 <hendry> ponyfleisch: what should i be using? https://github.com/kaihendry/clockin/blob/master/common.php#L2
2015-12-03 21:30 <WantonMee> [ clockin/common.php at master · kaihendry/clockin · GitHub ] - github.com
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2015-12-04 01:05 <ponyfleisch> silex, lumen, anything is better than plain php
2015-12-04 01:05 <ponyfleisch> though i have no experience with either
2015-12-04 01:05 <ponyfleisch> well, a little
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2015-12-05 01:43 <icedwater> Odd, sorry, sorting some tmux issues out.
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2015-12-07 13:11 <oldmanbeefjerky> hello, anyone know if any cracks exist for malwarebytes antimalware?
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2015-12-07 13:40 <Alex> ...
2015-12-07 14:07 <hendry> wut
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2015-12-07 14:48 <hyperair> asking for a crack for an antimalware program is like asking to be backdoored. =p
2015-12-07 14:53 <hendry> hyperair: why is my newly created dir not with nginx group ? http://ix.io/mFK
2015-12-07 14:54 <hyperair> hendry: try getfacl foobar
2015-12-07 14:54 <hyperair> what you did there just makes sure that foobar gets a group:nginx:rwx acl
2015-12-07 14:55 <hyperair> foobar to inherit nginx as the owning group, then you need to chmod g+s on the directory
2015-12-07 14:58 <hendry> hyperair: thank you ! chmod g+s was what I was missing
2015-12-07 14:59 <hyperair> you're welcome
2015-12-07 15:05 <hendry> ACTION implements http://natalian.org/2015/11/29/Neighbourhood_watch_on_the_Web/
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2015-12-07 15:25 <ponyfleisch> hendry: does the management show any kind of willingness to implement this?
2015-12-07 15:33 <hendry> ponyfleisch: yes
2015-12-07 15:42 <ponyfleisch> that's pretty cool
2015-12-07 15:43 <ponyfleisch> assuming there is always a guard in the guardhouse, have you thought about installing a tablet there?
2015-12-07 15:44 <ponyfleisch> or how will the guards be alerted?
2015-12-07 15:53 <hendry> ponyfleisch: SMS is that plan
2015-12-07 15:57 <hendry> coding quickly at https://github.com/kaihendry/myresponder
2015-12-07 15:57 <WantonMee> [ kaihendry/myresponder · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-07 15:58 <ponyfleisch> ok. i wouldn't trust a random security guard to instantly see SMSs as the come in.
2015-12-07 15:59 <ponyfleisch> ffs at least use a router, man :)
2015-12-07 15:59 <hendry> i plan in the management interface to have some sort of enable/disable toggle for both guards and home owners
2015-12-07 15:59 <hendry> i have directories =)
2015-12-07 16:00 <ponyfleisch> and massive code duplication
2015-12-07 16:01 <hendry> you mean h duplicates g ?
2015-12-07 16:01 <hendry> i know that... just coding quickly. i will refactor it
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2015-12-07 16:45 <hendry> argh... fact that i'm not taking the time to design everything is going to cost me
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2015-12-07 18:33 <hendry> anyone with experience of SMS providers? I think Nexmo is a winner so far....
2015-12-07 18:41 <hendry> Alex: do you have exp of what it takes to build a simple push notification thingie for Android/IOS?
2015-12-07 18:49 <Alex> SNS does it pretty easily. Embed SDK into your mobile app, subscribe to the appropriate topic, and then push notifications to it
2015-12-07 18:49 <Alex> it also takes care of the GCM stuff which would otherwise be a pain
2015-12-07 18:59 <hendry> don't really want to build an app ideally.
2015-12-07 19:00 <hendry> on Android... allegedly it can be done entirely on the Web https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notifications-on-the-open-web?hl=en
2015-12-07 19:00 <WantonMee> [ Push Notifications on the Open Web | Web Updates - Google Developers ] - developers.google.com
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2015-12-08 11:11 <elfgoh> Unsure if anyone will be keen
2015-12-08 11:11 <elfgoh> But if anyone is keen to be a mentor for GCI, check this out https://twitter.com/hpdang/status/673929882875781120
2015-12-08 11:11 <WantonMee> [ Hong Phuc Dang on Twitter: "13-17 years old friends! Join #Google Code-In with #FOSSASIA https://t.co/cWcgk73xh8 learn #code #opensource @codeorg @hourofcode @CodeClub" ] - twitter.com
2015-12-08 11:11 <elfgoh> Basically a much simpler version of GSOC
2015-12-08 11:22 <elfgoh> I also happened to be a mentor already
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2015-12-08 11:54 <hendry> no one held my hand when learning to program. not sure why i should hold other people's hands. ;)
2015-12-08 12:05 <icedwater> Don't feel obliged to, but don't be an asshole :)
2015-12-08 12:24 <hendry> hyperair: here's another filesystem type question for you: how to make symlink not overwritable?
2015-12-08 12:25 <Lepak> <hyperair> chattr +i
2015-12-08 12:25 <hendry> with files i've done some thing like a chmod uog-w filename
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2015-12-08 12:25 <hyperair> wait,  chattr doesn't appear to work on symlinks
2015-12-08 12:25 <hendry> yes, chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on
2015-12-08 12:26 <hendry> nice error message that ;)
2015-12-08 12:26 <hyperair> hmm
2015-12-08 12:26 <hyperair> basically it can't read filesystem flags on a symlink
2015-12-08 12:26 <hyperair> that's what it's saying
2015-12-08 12:26 <hyperair> and the error is ENOTSUPP
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2015-12-08 12:35 <hendry> hyperair: so it can't be done? one for serverfault I wonder ?
2015-12-08 12:36 <hyperair> dunno
2015-12-08 13:04 <hendry> http://serverfault.com/questions/741456/
2015-12-08 13:04 <WantonMee> [ How to prevent a symlink from being removed? - Server Fault ] - serverfault.com
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2015-12-08 14:37 <hendry> anyone recommend some nice free SVG icons? Looking for house, a guard and a management icon
2015-12-08 15:28 <elfgoh> I am guessing you have tried openclipart?
2015-12-08 15:28 <elfgoh> hendry:
2015-12-08 16:19 <hendry> hyperair: http://dabase.com/e/01178/
2015-12-08 16:19 <WantonMee> [ Ensure www-data is always able to write ] - dabase.com
2015-12-08 16:19 <hendry> elfgoh: thanks, they are pretty bad :}
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2015-12-08 22:58 <hendry> ponyfleisch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvBI6qp2-4&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-08 22:58 <WantonMee> [ First responder / dispatcher project for my hood in Malaysia UPDATE - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2015-12-09 18:30 <hendry> Alex: i have a AWS SES account with a verified email, lets say it is "foo@example.com". However I can only seem to email "foo@example.com". What am I missing?
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2015-12-10 09:39 <hendry> hopefully this question isn't too stupid http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34192262/safe-php-json-logging
2015-12-10 09:39 <WantonMee> [ Safe PHP JSON logging - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
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2015-12-10 10:28 <hendry> hyperair: now I'm confused. still the group is not being inherited. what the hell am I missing? http://ix.io/mJr
2015-12-10 10:29 <hyperair> hendry: chmod g+s..
2015-12-10 10:38 <hendry> in www $ chmod g+s . # has been run !?
2015-12-10 10:38 <hyperair> Access: (0775/drwxrwxr-x)  Uid: ( 1001/  hendry)   Gid: (   48/  apache)
2015-12-10 10:38 <hyperair> hendry: does that look like g+s is present to you?!
2015-12-10 10:52 <hendry> hyperair: what should it look like ? http://ix.io/mJs
2015-12-10 10:53 <hyperair> hendry: 2755
2015-12-10 10:53 <hyperair> sorry, 2775
2015-12-10 10:53 <hyperair> i thought you'd at least know your permission bits =\
2015-12-10 11:19 <jeaye> I saw some chat about NixOS in here previously.
2015-12-10 11:19 <jeaye> Spent some time getting NixOS to work on DigitalOcean, ended up with https://github.com/jeaye/nixos-in-place
2015-12-10 11:20 <WantonMee> [ jeaye/nixos-in-place · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-10 11:22 <jeaye> ACTION drops a smoke grenade and vanishes.
2015-12-10 11:23 <hyperair> jeaye: hmm, bind mounts huh. i thought you needed to do pivot_root for steps 3/4.
2015-12-10 11:25 <jeaye> The resulting system uses one bind.
2015-12-10 11:26 <jeaye> The root file system is mounted on /old-root and / is bount to /old-root/nixos
2015-12-10 11:27 <jeaye> Most of the work is modifying the live media to work in a chroot. After that, some custom nix configs, and the binding, bob's your uncle.
2015-12-10 11:27 <jeaye> Digital Ocean setups require a custom systemd service to configure all the static ip shit on boot, but that's the only difference.
2015-12-10 11:27 <jeaye> Also done for you automagically.
2015-12-10 11:29 <jeaye> ew s/bount/bound/
2015-12-10 11:31 <hendry> hyperair: i prefer uog-+ syntax. So why isn't my g+s working then ?!
2015-12-10 11:33 <hyperair> huh?
2015-12-10 11:33 <hyperair> wtf is this uog-+ syntax?
2015-12-10 11:34 <hendry> man chmod -> [ugoa...][[-+=][perms...]...]
2015-12-10 11:34 <hendry> anyway, this g+s is not working, is it?
2015-12-10 11:34 <hendry> lemme try 2775
2015-12-10 11:34 <hyperair> you didn't run it, did you?
2015-12-10 11:34 <hyperair> either that or you mounted your fs nosuid
2015-12-10 11:34 <hendry> hyperair: i ran it http://ix.io/mJs
2015-12-10 11:34 <hendry> how do i check for nosuid?
2015-12-10 11:35 <hyperair> what filesystem are you running?
2015-12-10 11:35 <hendry> /dev/vda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
2015-12-10 11:35 <hyperair> that doesn't look nosuid..
2015-12-10 11:37 <hendry> http://ix.io/mJt
2015-12-10 11:38 <hyperair> after the chmod, can you add echo $?
2015-12-10 11:41 <hendry> 0
2015-12-10 11:41 <hyperair> hmmmm
2015-12-10 11:41 <hyperair> i have no idea what the fuck is up with that
2015-12-10 11:42 <hyperair> can you strace the chmod call?
2015-12-10 12:31 <hendry> ponyfleisch: I'm doing something wrong here aren't I? https://github.com/kaihendry/ajaxtoggle
2015-12-10 12:31 <WantonMee> [ kaihendry/ajaxtoggle · GitHub ] - github.com
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2015-12-10 13:06 <ponyfleisch> if this is an excercise in minimalism, yeah, you could lose jquery.
2015-12-10 13:24 <hendry> the rest of the code stinks too
2015-12-10 13:46 <hendry> i don't actually understand how to send form data in xhr
2015-12-10 13:47 <hendry> vanilla xhr that is.
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2015-12-10 13:50 <paided> hey guys, am interviewing some developers on elance but a couple of them are claiming to be the sole developer of an app, is there any way for them to actually prove that they actually made it i.e. documentation of some sort? thanks
2015-12-10 13:53 <hendry> paided: check out their github history?
2015-12-10 14:03 <paided> hendry1: yeah I'll ask thanks
2015-12-10 14:31 <hendry> ponyfleisch: ok, I implemented in vanillaJS. now I don't feel quite so physically sick.
2015-12-10 14:31 <hendry> http://toggle.dabase.com/
2015-12-10 14:31 <WantonMee> [ Toggle button ] - toggle.dabase.com
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2015-12-10 16:01 <ponyfleisch> Alex: does lambda make sense for transactional emails?
2015-12-10 16:02 <ponyfleisch> basically i want to have a lambda thingie that i can feed some data + a template name reference and it should send out an email and save a copy to S3 :)
2015-12-10 16:02 <ponyfleisch> what are the fixed "costs" involved for each call?
2015-12-10 16:32 <icedwater> <rant> I've got a 16-core server at 2.90GHz and 128GB RAM ... and starting MATLAB takes forever?! </rant>
2015-12-10 16:34 <Alex> ponyfleisch: seems pretty easy, yeah - combine with lambda and api gateway depending upon how you want to feed it the data.
2015-12-10 16:34 <Alex> The cost would be invocation time and some data transfer I guess
2015-12-10 16:34 <Alex> It'll probably fall under the free tier
2015-12-10 16:36 <Alex> I'd recommend using the SES API rather than SMTP too - that way you'll reduce invocation time by avoiding the SMTP conversation
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2015-12-10 17:14 <ponyfleisch> yeah, using ses api now. not sure lambda is worth the effort though. will see. i think i also want to build an ui for it.
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2015-12-10 17:36 <icedwater> Whoops, /wc-ed the wrong window.
2015-12-10 17:36 <icedwater> kushal: never got a mail from karthik, and I couldn't figure out how to DM him
2015-12-10 17:37 <icedwater> How are the flood rescue efforts doing now?
2015-12-10 17:41 <kushal> icedwater, oh extremely sorry about that :(
2015-12-10 17:41 <kushal> icedwater, many areas are still under water
2015-12-10 17:41 <kushal> icedwater, my relatives managed to get out and come to our city last night
2015-12-10 17:42 <icedwater> kushal: that's a huge relief. I hope the rest are doing OK.
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2015-12-11 15:55 <marcog> for those using payment platforms, stripe or braintree?
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2015-12-11 19:12 <hendry> marcog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJI0WxXTvTw
2015-12-11 19:12 <WantonMee> [ Kai's Paypal vs Braintree vs Stripe tour - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2015-12-13 11:56 <downey> Hi all ... I've got a group of 100 open source hackers here and a few are looking for a place to get stuff like raspberry pi or intel edison ... any ideas where to look? thinking funan or sim lim square might not be the right place.
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2015-12-13 14:34 <ponyfleisch> downey: sim lim tower
2015-12-13 14:34 <ponyfleisch> downey: or 12geeks, they are based at hackerspace
2015-12-13 14:34 <downey> ponyfleisch: thanks ;-) will spread the word
2015-12-13 14:38 <ponyfleisch> downey: for 12geeks, it's not really a walk in thing, so contact them first :)
2015-12-13 14:39 <downey> and i assume today is probably not an option :-)
2015-12-13 14:54 <ponyfleisch> not sure, contact them
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2015-12-13 22:00 <icedwater> downey: did you get your stuff? Luther was in earlier, and someone else came to buy/collect something in the afternoon too
2015-12-13 22:11 <downey> icedwater: I think so ...saw a photo in our Telegram chat. Personally I will just try to stop by sim Lim tower tomorrow evening
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2015-12-13 23:38 <icedwater> downey: if you're in the area no harm nudging elfgoh about it first, he seems to be logged in on IRC these days
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2015-12-14 18:18 <icedwater> notthetup: you there?
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2015-12-15 04:51 <elopea> hello
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2015-12-15 09:34 <icedwater> Hello
2015-12-15 09:34 <icedwater> :P
2015-12-15 09:40 <linc01n> Hello
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2015-12-15 09:58 <icedwater> Hi linc01n :)
2015-12-15 10:00 <linc01n> I am new to sg!
2015-12-15 10:08 <icedwater> Welcome, then :)
2015-12-15 10:08 <icedwater> How long are you going to be here?
2015-12-15 10:09 <linc01n> I found a perm job here.
2015-12-15 10:11 <Alex> Hey, linc01n.
2015-12-15 10:18 <linc01n> Hi Alex
2015-12-15 10:46 <icedwater> That's great, we'll have many chances to chat, then.
2015-12-15 10:57 <linc01n> Thinking to come to hacker space in the weekends. Can't work at home
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2015-12-15 12:30 <hendry> linc01n: working from home is a mistake :P
2015-12-15 12:51 <linc01n> Especially it is next to my bed 
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2015-12-16 10:57 <icedwater> Hello hackers :D
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2015-12-16 13:11 <pragoo> hey
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2015-12-16 17:46 <marcog> what's the best place to find laptop parts (hard drive, ram, wifi modules...)
2015-12-16 17:46 <marcog> funan?
2015-12-16 17:48 <icedwater> I would think either there or Sim Lim Square.
2015-12-16 17:50 <marcog> I heard that in Sim Lim Square you can buy a 250 Gb HD and end up with a non working brick
2015-12-16 17:52 <hyperair> just stay away from the first three floors and you should be good
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2015-12-16 17:56 <marcog> haha, I didn't know the ripping off guys where grouped in floors
2015-12-16 17:56 <marcog> thanks
2015-12-16 17:58 <icedwater> Also, keep your bag closed as you go up the escalators, or you will be drowned in flyers by the third floor :P
2015-12-16 17:58 <icedwater> Or just take the lift :P
2015-12-16 18:23 <journeymangeek> icedwater: they don't give flyers any more :(.
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2015-12-16 18:38 <icedwater> Oh yeah? That's good news :P
2015-12-16 18:47 <icedwater> q info
2015-12-16 18:47 <icedwater> Oops. :P
2015-12-16 19:18 <hendry> marcog: i recommend video pro though check the price list before you pay http://www.videopro.com.sg/products/
2015-12-16 19:18 <WantonMee> [ VideoPro.com.sg ] - www.videopro.com.sg
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2015-12-17 03:43 <Valentine> marcog: ebay will be way better for laptop parts
2015-12-17 03:43 <Valentine> wow I haven't been on for some time
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2015-12-17 10:04 <icedwater> Well hi there Valentine, hope the event went great yesterday.
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2015-12-17 14:09 <Lepak> <miccheng> <https://vimeo.com/148748807>
2015-12-17 14:09 <WantonMee> [ VimeUhOh ] - vimeo.com
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2015-12-18 15:10 <chunto> anyone here?
2015-12-18 15:10 <chunto> hi
2015-12-18 15:11 <hyperair> hi
2015-12-18 15:11 <jeaye> Nobody's home.
2015-12-18 15:13 <icedwater> Everybody's at work, I suppose.
2015-12-18 15:13 <icedwater> Unless they're working from home, in which case, they're also home.
2015-12-18 15:14 <hyperair> ACTION is working from home
2015-12-18 15:14 <hyperair> home = hsg
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2015-12-18 15:20 <calten> i bought a 3d printer recently
2015-12-18 15:20 <calten> a kit that has to be assembled
2015-12-18 15:21 <calten> i was wondering if i could bring it to the hackerspace for help
2015-12-18 16:22 <marcog> thanks, for the tips on laptops parts
2015-12-18 16:23 <marcog> a bit late, hehe
2015-12-18 16:23 <marcog> also, what could be a good place to replace an iphone screen?
2015-12-18 16:24 <marcog> Sim Lim Square again?
2015-12-18 16:41 <ponyfleisch> marcog: i
2015-12-18 16:41 <ponyfleisch> marcog: my experience with sim lim square was not great
2015-12-18 16:41 <ponyfleisch> for display replacement
2015-12-18 16:41 <ponyfleisch> (iphone)
2015-12-18 16:42 <ponyfleisch> next time i'll do it at an official apple repair center
2015-12-18 16:42 <ponyfleisch> any docker peeps here?
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2015-12-18 17:25 <hendry> marcog: https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/399114936401399808
2015-12-18 17:26 <WantonMee> [ Kai Hendry on Twitter: "Unexpectedly found good Apple service at SIM LIM on L5 with http://t.co/i8hKiPFDuT They efficiently did a MBP SSD upgrade for me." ] - twitter.com
2015-12-18 17:32 <marcog> great thanks
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2015-12-19 08:52 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine opened pull request #135: Added events page and tentative EOY party page (master...events) http://git.io/v0hcW
2015-12-19 08:54 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine closed pull request #135: Added events page and tentative EOY party page (master...events) http://git.io/v0hcW
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2015-12-19 19:38 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine opened pull request #136: Added note on ticketing; changed payment values (master...events) http://git.io/v0j93
2015-12-19 19:38 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine closed pull request #136: Added note on ticketing; changed payment values (master...events) http://git.io/v0j93
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2015-12-20 19:17 <hendry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34380360/debugging-partial-file-aka-neterr-incomplete-chunked-encoding
2015-12-20 19:17 <WantonMee> [ api - Debugging Partial file aka net::ERR_INCOMPLETE_CHUNKED_ENCODING - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
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2015-12-22 14:23 <hendry> overhearing some guys behind me design some Javascript class for their startup... **shivers**
2015-12-22 14:27 <icedwater> Subtweeting is too mainstream for you, hendry?
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2015-12-22 16:28 <Lepak> <vi> icedwater: given ignore lists i think you’re technically subchatting too :)
2015-12-22 16:33 <icedwater> Not by my choice :)
2015-12-22 16:34 <icedwater> Well, OK, obviously it was my choice to chat, but that's hardly the point :P
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2015-12-22 23:08 <Marlinski> http://theantimedia.org/china-just-launched-the-most-frightening-game-ever-and-soon-it-will-be-mandatory/
2015-12-22 23:08 <WantonMee> [ China Just Launched the Most Frightening Game Ever — and Soon It Will Be Mandatory ] - theantimedia.org
2015-12-22 23:09 <Marlinski> that's evil genius
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2015-12-23 03:21 <Rainbow> >.>
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2015-12-23 09:55 <icedwater> Marlinski: eep
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2015-12-23 10:38 <hendry> moin
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2015-12-23 16:36 <Marlinski> icedwater: eep ?
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2015-12-23 16:41 <icedwater> Regarding sesame credits.
2015-12-23 16:47 <icedwater> Also because I could totally see this being implemented in Singapore.
2015-12-23 19:13 <Marlinski> icedwater: I meant, what does eep means ?
2015-12-23 19:13 <Marlinski> icedwater: yeah, I can see it being implemented in the rest of the world too
2015-12-23 19:14 <Marlinski> maybe not on the form of a obedient citizen score, but as an insurance score, bank customer score, health score for health services, etc.
2015-12-23 19:14 <Marlinski> which eventually will be the same thing
2015-12-23 19:29 <icedwater> Maybe.
2015-12-23 19:30 <icedwater> "eep" is just a generic terrified noise.
2015-12-23 20:04 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine opened pull request #137: Added announcement for EOY party on front page (master...events) http://git.io/vE8Iy
2015-12-23 20:04 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine closed pull request #137: Added announcement for EOY party on front page (master...events) http://git.io/vE8Iy
2015-12-23 20:13 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine opened pull request #138: Extended early-bird deadline for end-of-year party (master...events) http://git.io/vE8qr
2015-12-23 20:13 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine closed pull request #138: Extended early-bird deadline for end-of-year party (master...events) http://git.io/vE8qr
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2015-12-24 04:21 <Marlinski> .win 17
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2015-12-24 07:21 <icedwater> Good morning folks! :D
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2015-12-24 07:38 <n00b88> good morning!
2015-12-24 07:43 <icedwater> Cool, didn't expect a response this late in the night ;)
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2015-12-24 12:12 <github> [hackerspace.sg] chernjie pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vE0BO
2015-12-24 12:12 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 532248d CJ: Update main.markdown
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2015-12-25 01:18 <icedwater> Have a great Christmas day, folks, and see (some of) you at HSG on Saturday :)
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2015-12-25 06:09 <Valentine> icedwater: you haven't bought your ticket =P
2015-12-25 10:15 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vEg3J
2015-12-25 10:15 <github> hackerspace.sg/master eb2bfb3 Valentine C: Added menu for end-of-year party
2015-12-25 10:40 <icedwater> Valentine: sorry, I can only make it after dinner :p
2015-12-25 11:13 <hendry> http://s.natalian.org/2015-12-25/1451013170_1918x1058.png
2015-12-25 11:13 <hendry> two buttons?
2015-12-25 11:13 <hendry> a UX nightmare of a dropdown?
2015-12-25 11:13 <hendry> ACTION shivers
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2015-12-25 17:41 <Valentine> hendry: sorry, my CSS-fu is shit
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2015-12-26 08:56 <github> hackerspace.sg/master f768d0d Valentine C: Switched tickets to normal tickets for EOY party
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2015-12-28 17:53 <hendry> hyperair: hey, I'm pondering to sell my TPLINK Archer C7
2015-12-28 17:53 <hendry> hyperair: i'm going to buy a new Mikrotik HAP AC to replace it
2015-12-28 17:53 <hendry> hyperair: know anyone that might be interested? runs openwrt well.
2015-12-28 17:54 <hendry> hyperair: else I'll put it on Carohell
2015-12-28 17:55 <hyperair> Valentine: interested?
2015-12-28 17:55 <hyperair> hendry: does it have 802.11ac with openwrt?
2015-12-28 17:55 <Valentine> hyperair: for what
2015-12-28 17:55 <hendry> hyperair: yes
2015-12-28 17:55 <hyperair> hmmm
2015-12-28 17:56 <hyperair> how much are you selling it for?
2015-12-28 17:56 <hendry> it's stable unlike the Asus bullshit
2015-12-28 17:56 <hyperair> yeah, that's what i'm thinking
2015-12-28 17:56 <Valentine> FYI cheapest is $58.99 USD on Amazon
2015-12-28 17:56 <hyperair> wow, that's not expensive
2015-12-28 17:56 <Valentine> so that's $86 SGD
2015-12-28 17:56 <Valentine> first hand
2015-12-28 17:56 <Valentine> hendry has to go better than that
2015-12-28 17:57 <hendry> Valentine: i haven't even given a price? what do you want?
2015-12-28 17:57 <hendry> my first born ?
2015-12-28 17:57 <Valentine> hendry: no, just suggesting a price if hyperair's interested
2015-12-28 17:58 <hendry> btw https://twitter.com/sudobrew in PJ bought an Asus and sorely regretted it. unstable nonesense.
2015-12-28 17:59 <WantonMee> [ Sudo Brew (@sudobrew) | Twitter ] - twitter.com
2015-12-28 18:02 <hyperair> heh
2015-12-28 18:19 <Valentine> we're using a WDR3600 for routing right now, and the AC66 as an AP
2015-12-28 18:20 <Valentine> in a best (financial) case scenario we should use pfsense
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2015-12-28 18:29 <hendry> pfsense is a BSD firewall product Valentine ? how does that help?
2015-12-28 18:29 <hendry> care to review http://natalian.org/2015/12/28/iperf3_charts/ ?
2015-12-28 18:30 <Valentine> hendry: lots of home lab scenarios use pfsense for WAN-to-LAN routing
2015-12-28 18:30 <Valentine> especially when we're talking >200mbps where most routers can't do software routing
2015-12-28 18:37 <hendry> most routers have some sort of hardware speed up or something
2015-12-28 18:38 <hendry> i know Mikrotik has something called "fasttrack"
2015-12-28 18:38 <hendry> which allows it to pump an obscene amount of packets quickly
2015-12-28 18:57 <Valentine> yeah most new routers have "cut-through forwarding", but you can't do QoS or any form of packet manipulation with it
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2015-12-29 01:09 <Valentine> hendry: any chance hsgcam could be shifted back to 15 mins frequency? 1 hour is kinda useless
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2015-12-29 08:54 <linc01n> hendry: i bought one mikrotik router. fast track works but if you do NAT or some LAN-to-LAN routing the hardware will not be fast enough(or you buy the expensive one). I am now using pfsense on bare metal which can give me 1Gbps throughput on NAT.
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2015-12-29 10:07 <hendry> linc01n: which one do you have btw?
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2015-12-29 16:22 <Valentine> linc01n: what hardware are you using for pfsense?
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2015-12-29 18:17 <linc01n> hendry: RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
2015-12-29 18:22 <linc01n> Valentine: it is running on intel 1037U/ 2GB ram/ 8GB ssd/ 6* intel PCI-E 1000M
2015-12-29 18:23 <linc01n> Valentine: it looks like this http://cl.ly/1Z3c0w2Q0U1r
2015-12-29 18:23 <WantonMee> [ 1U.png ] - cl.ly
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2015-12-29 21:35 <hendry> linc01n: RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN looks fast to me
2015-12-29 21:35 <hendry> linc01n: can you tell its maxed out from WebFIG?
2015-12-29 21:35 <hendry> linc01n: or winbox or something ?
2015-12-29 21:35 <linc01n> yup... it is the cpu limit
2015-12-29 21:36 <linc01n> so the cpu hit 100% usage
2015-12-29 21:36 <linc01n> when doing NAT
2015-12-29 21:36 <linc01n> and
2015-12-29 21:36 <hendry> linc01n: i would assume mikrotik fasttrack is optimised for NAT
2015-12-29 21:37 <linc01n> so i get around 300Mbps
2015-12-29 21:37 <linc01n> not sure is it optimised or not... maybe i setup it wrongly...
2015-12-29 21:38 <linc01n> their user interface is complex thou. compare to pfsense
2015-12-29 21:38 <hendry> i must say Mikrotik make it really easy for example to wrongly re-arrange fasttrack in the firewall
2015-12-29 21:38 <hendry> and then lose it's benefit
2015-12-29 21:38 <hendry> really wish someone sane was designing their interface
2015-12-29 21:38 <hendry> and get some typical use cases fool proof
2015-12-29 21:39 <linc01n> so i bought mikrotik for their 'advance' routing capability... turns out their VPN support is not very good
2015-12-29 21:40 <hendry> linc01n: VPN across the board is very good... it needs to be imo OpenVPN. it needs to be software
2015-12-29 21:40 <hendry> PP2P et al suck
2015-12-29 21:41 <hendry> linc01n: VPN across the board is *NOT& very good... it needs to be imo OpenVPN. it needs to be software
2015-12-29 21:41 <linc01n> and their openvpn client is very hard to setup... no easy way to upload CA cert
2015-12-29 21:42 <linc01n> pfsense is more user friendly
2015-12-29 21:42 <linc01n> and you can get more out from pfsense with their package system
2015-12-29 21:43 <linc01n> like rrd graph
2015-12-29 21:44 <hendry> i like the graphs in Mikrotik's WebFIG
2015-12-29 21:44 <linc01n> i just want to get in up and running very fast and stable for years... not really want to spend time studying their command online
2015-12-29 21:44 <linc01n> get it*
2015-12-29 21:44 <hendry> how much was your hardware to run pfsense ?
2015-12-29 21:45 <hendry> linc01n: btw, do you mind reviewing http://natalian.org/2015/12/28/iperf3_charts/ ? :)
2015-12-29 21:46 <linc01n> that's the other problem also... so my pfsense hw cost me around 220SGD when the mikrotik cost similar
2015-12-29 21:46 <linc01n> but i get a x86 Ghz cpu and 2GB ram
2015-12-29 21:48 <linc01n> whereas mikrotik give me a 600 MHz maybe MIPS cpu
2015-12-29 21:49 <hendry> 220SGD 1u for an intel rack with how many ethernet ports ?
2015-12-29 21:49 <linc01n> 6 intel 1000M
2015-12-29 21:49 <linc01n> i like intel lan card
2015-12-29 21:50 <linc01n> from taobao thou... so no brand...
2015-12-29 21:52 <hendry> that is crazy cheap... i am impressed
2015-12-29 21:52 <hendry> linc01n: ok wdyt of http://natalian.org/2015/12/28/iperf3_charts/
2015-12-29 21:52 <linc01n> hendry: so envy you are using viewqwest ... i can't pick the internet provider since i just renting a room...
2015-12-29 21:52 <linc01n> i miss my HK 1Gbps link
2015-12-29 21:53 <linc01n> hendry: ur wireless is running both bands??
2015-12-29 21:53 <linc01n> looks like u're running only 2.4?
2015-12-29 21:54 <linc01n> 2.4Ghz
2015-12-29 22:02 <hendry> linc01n: i am on 5ghz
2015-12-29 22:03 <hendry> linc01n: tbh i don't quite grok how to increase the speeds
2015-12-29 22:07 <linc01n> AC should use both bands thou... i get around 70-80MB/s easily for wireless to wired
2015-12-29 22:08 <hendry> linc01n: how can i tell with iw
2015-12-29 22:09 <hendry> iw dev: http://ix.io/n2G
2015-12-29 22:10 <hendry> iw dev wlp4s0 link: http://ix.io/n2H
2015-12-29 22:10 <hendry> 260.0 MBit/s <--- no idea how to get it faster
2015-12-29 22:10 <hendry> linc01n: you are talking 800+ MBit/s right?
2015-12-29 22:10 <linc01n> so i discover that in osx network utility
2015-12-29 22:10 <linc01n> yes
2015-12-29 22:10 <linc01n> http://cl.ly/1t371w2t341O
2015-12-29 22:10 <WantonMee> [ Screen Shot 2015-12-29 at 10.09.23 pm.jpg ] - cl.ly
2015-12-29 22:11 <linc01n> i ran iperf to test that speed out
2015-12-29 22:11 <hendry> interestingly it says 1Gbit/s oh my wife's MBP
2015-12-29 22:12 <linc01n> maybe you can try to run iperf on that too... maybe you will get better result
2015-12-29 22:15 <hendry> trying to brew install iperf3
2015-12-29 22:15 <hendry> macosx is such a joke
2015-12-29 22:15 <linc01n> at least they got good driver support...
2015-12-29 22:15 <linc01n> wireless on linux make me want to kill myself
2015-12-29 22:16 <icedwater> linc01n: I've been spoiled by Ubuntu...
2015-12-29 22:17 <linc01n> if you dont like mac... buy macbook and install linux on it... ubuntu/other distro should work out of the box
2015-12-29 22:17 <linc01n> and tons of resources online...
2015-12-29 22:17 <linc01n> i used to run gentoo dual boot to osx
2015-12-29 22:17 <icedwater> linc01n: hendry is a arch fan
2015-12-29 22:18 <linc01n> oh pacman! LOL
2015-12-29 22:18 <hendry> linc01n: who are you btw? have you been to HSG?
2015-12-29 22:19 <linc01n> hahaha...never visit... but my friend suggest me to come and hang around... I want a place to work on the weekend.
2015-12-29 22:19 <linc01n> maybe i will come this sat and take a look
2015-12-29 22:21 <hendry> linc01n: what do you do in Singapore ?
2015-12-29 22:22 <linc01n> software development in OpsManager using rails and a frontend offline web app
2015-12-29 22:22 <linc01n> just arrived SG 4months ago
2015-12-29 22:22 <linc01n> used to be a devops/dev/sysadmin in HK
2015-12-29 22:23 <hendry> my 5Ghz range is really rather short. sigh.
2015-12-29 22:23 <hendry> is "OpsManager" a SG company ?
2015-12-29 22:24 <linc01n> yup
2015-12-29 22:25 <linc01n> so whats the result on mac?
2015-12-29 22:25 <linc01n> > 30MB/s?
2015-12-29 22:25 <hendry> i need to move the laptop closer. it keeps dropping off 5Ghz
2015-12-29 22:26 <hendry> trying to understand wtf http://www.opsmanager.com/#about does
2015-12-29 22:26 <WantonMee> [ OpsManager ] - www.opsmanager.com
2015-12-29 22:26 <hendry> EVERYTHING?
2015-12-29 22:27 <linc01n> yup... small team
2015-12-29 22:27 <linc01n> complex software...
2015-12-29 22:27 <hendry> not following my one thing and one thing well philosophy ;)
2015-12-29 22:27 <linc01n> feature spec close to 4k
2015-12-29 22:28 <linc01n> it is a ERP software
2015-12-29 22:28 <hendry> macbook getting 250mbit/sec... same as my X1C3
2015-12-29 22:28 <hendry> maybe the Archer C7 sucks? Idk
2015-12-29 22:30 <linc01n> AC1750 should be faster
2015-12-29 22:30 <linc01n> maybe you can login and check...
2015-12-29 22:30 <linc01n> modern wifi router can switch off 5g/2.4g
2015-12-29 22:30 <linc01n> but i dont like TP-link anyway...
2015-12-29 22:31 <linc01n> i tried ASUS/TP-LINK/Belkin/LevelOne/Buffalo/Linksys
2015-12-29 22:31 <linc01n> i love Asus
2015-12-29 22:32 <hendry> my experience of ASUS is not good
2015-12-29 22:32 <hendry> this is confirmed at HSG and sudobrew cafe in PJ
2015-12-29 22:32 <hendry> _unstable_ POS
2015-12-29 22:32 <icedwater> That's _your_ experience.
2015-12-29 22:33 <linc01n> oh... the good part of asus is you can install tomatousb/ddwrt easily..
2015-12-29 22:34 <linc01n> and their hardware is kind of OK... But they usually got 2 models...
2015-12-29 22:34 <linc01n> one is newly release... got nice spec and stuff.. after they build up the reputation... they will cut cost and give u cheap hw.
2015-12-29 22:35 <linc01n> my wifi router got 1 core... but most reviews online saying 2 cores
2015-12-29 22:35 <linc01n> and the model number is slightly different ... like last digit
2015-12-29 22:36 <linc01n> RT-AC56S and U
2015-12-29 22:38 <icedwater> Don't know if that applies to laptops, though
2015-12-29 22:39 <hendry> that sucks
2015-12-29 22:39 <linc01n> actually i think the apple airport extreme is kind of nice... there was a conference in TW... the best conference ever
2015-12-29 22:39 <hendry> i think hyperair has issues putting openwrt on the asus
2015-12-29 22:39 <linc01n> wifi is fast
2015-12-29 22:40 <hendry> annoyingly the airport extreme is probably the best
2015-12-29 22:40 <linc01n> and support like 200+ clients
2015-12-29 22:40 <hendry> i concede that
2015-12-29 22:40 <hendry> for conferences i noted that ubnt poe stuff works well for http://ondelo.com/
2015-12-29 22:40 <WantonMee> [ Ondelo | Home ] - ondelo.com
2015-12-29 22:41 <linc01n> any experience with ruckus?
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2015-12-29 22:46 <hyperair> the asus doesn't have a working openwrt port iirc
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2015-12-29 23:35 <Valentine> hendry: > Now on AC wireless between my X1C3 & my TPLINK Archer C7 v2, the best throughput I can get when I am very close to the AP is ~26MB/sec.
2015-12-29 23:35 <Valentine> what are you testing?
2015-12-29 23:37 <hendry> Valentine: bandwidth throughput ?
2015-12-30 00:04 <Valentine> hendry: I don't get it
2015-12-30 00:06 <Valentine> oh I just copied a 2.5GB file over wifi to my NAS (running RAID-5) at around 45MB/s
2015-12-30 00:08 <Valentine> I'm not even "very close". I'm in my bedroom while the AP is in the living room
2015-12-30 00:09 <Valentine> anyway your article is a bit lacking since you didn't talk about latency and distance
2015-12-30 00:10 <Valentine> a 10G link to Amsterdam won't do any good if fibre is still limited by the speed of light
2015-12-30 00:15 <linc01n> but i think 2MB/s is too slow... more like a cap on ISP side... my last ISP got the same 2MB/s cap
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2015-12-30 01:49 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vE5qT
2015-12-30 01:49 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 0a58698 Valentine C: Removed main page announcement; disabled tickets
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2015-12-30 12:56 <Valentine> hendry: change the 1h frequency on hsgcam to 15 mins please
2015-12-30 13:30 <hendry> Valentine: ok... any particular reason out of interest?
2015-12-30 13:30 <Valentine> hendry: 1 hour isn't effective in showing who's at the space
2015-12-30 13:31 <Valentine> at least during office hours/evenings
2015-12-30 13:31 <hendry> going to create 4x more S3 space requirements which I pay for ;)
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2015-12-30 13:36 <Valentine> should we consider hosting the photos on the NAS instead?
2015-12-30 13:39 <Valentine> I also have an Amazon Cloud Drive unlimited plan which I intend to keep for the long term, so I can back stuff up there
2015-12-30 13:39 <Valentine> there's acd_cli for linux
2015-12-30 13:39 <Valentine> https://github.com/yadayada/acd_cli
2015-12-30 13:39 <Valentine> I'm sure something can be worked out
2015-12-30 13:39 <WantonMee> [ yadayada/acd_cli · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-30 13:40 <Valentine> hendry: you should consider Amazon Cloud Drive too
2015-12-30 13:41 <hendry> ideally it has some s3 compatible interface for my sanity
2015-12-30 13:43 <Valentine> hendry: https://github.com/ncw/rclone
2015-12-30 13:43 <WantonMee> [ ncw/rclone · GitHub ] - github.com
2015-12-30 13:45 <hendry> Valentine: are you coding anymore golang btw?
2015-12-30 13:45 <Valentine> hendry: not really
2015-12-30 13:45 <hendry> Valentine: what are you doing with yourself then?
2015-12-30 13:45 <Valentine> hendry: no idea
2015-12-30 13:45 <hendry> Valentine: then why not code?
2015-12-30 13:46 <Valentine> hendry: yeah I'm tempted to write an event booking thing for HSG
2015-12-30 13:48 <hendry> Valentine: well i encourage to code every day
2015-12-30 13:48 <Valentine> hendry: thanks
2015-12-30 13:49 <hendry> Valentine: break up the problem. guess you will to write some some code that checks there is some intersection with two timings.
2015-12-30 13:49 <hendry> i rejigged https://github.com/kaihendry/lk and i'm looking for reviwers
2015-12-30 13:49 <WantonMee> [ kaihendry/lk · GitHub ] - github.com
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2015-12-30 15:13 <hendry> ponyfleisch: howdy
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> interesting:
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> --
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> Dear Amazon RDS Customer,
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> Due to a previously undetected billing bug for some RDS instances in the EU (Frankfurt) region, we haven't been charging you for some RDS database instances.  This issue only applied to a small number of RDS database instance types in the Frankfurt region.  We’ve fixed the issue and starting January 1, 2016, you will be billed for usage of these instances at the rates indicated on the Amazon RDS pricing page: http://aws.amazon.com/rds/p
2015-12-30 16:08 <WantonMee> [ 404 Not Found ] - aws.amazon.com
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> For December 2015, the affected instances are:
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> zrh
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> If your RDS usage is the same as in December 2015, the estimated monthly charges for these instances will be $59.52.
2015-12-30 16:08 <ponyfleisch> --
2015-12-30 16:23 <hendry> linc01n: any opinions on IP cameras?
2015-12-30 16:25 <linc01n> Yes. I helped my boss to setup a 4 cam system at his house. Big failure. Very hard to do
2015-12-30 16:29 <Valentine> what's so hard about an IP camera?
2015-12-30 16:37 <marcog> anyone knows where I can find 3D models of household objects?
2015-12-30 16:40 <icedwater> I suppose you could start searching http://tf3dm.com/3d-models/all
2015-12-30 16:40 <WantonMee> [ All 3D Models - Free 3D All download ] - tf3dm.com
2015-12-30 16:40 <icedwater> Although ... I don't see many household objects so dar.
2015-12-30 16:40 <icedwater> far*
2015-12-30 16:41 <icedwater> http://www.archibaseplanet.com/ looks more promising at first glance
2015-12-30 16:41 <WantonMee> [ Home Design, Free 3D models, High Quality Textures, Online Interior Design, Largest Architects Database at Archibase Planet ] - www.archibaseplanet.com
2015-12-30 16:49 <hyperair> household objects?
2015-12-30 16:49 <hyperair> what household objects specifically?
2015-12-30 16:50 <marcog> like books, pens, stuff you could find on top of a table
2015-12-30 16:50 <marcog> I found some but I always have problems with the formats
2015-12-30 16:51 <hyperair> for rendering, i suppose?
2015-12-30 16:53 <marcog> yes
2015-12-30 16:59 <hyperair> ACTION has no idea then
2015-12-30 17:07 <hendry> Valentine: did you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1iGSypZGk ?
2015-12-30 17:07 <WantonMee> [ Securing Foscam C1 to FTP push - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
2015-12-30 17:07 <hendry> Valentine: most IP cameras are insane-ware
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2015-12-30 22:16 <icedwater> Apparently there was research that showed underage smoking in the US fell by 50% when the legal age was raised from 18 to 21...
2015-12-30 22:17 <icedwater> I wonder how many people were between 18 and 21 at the time...
2015-12-30 23:20 <linc01n> Valentine: they are 4 720p cam. the setup is a bit strange.. it is on powerline. it just keep failing. at most only 3 cam can work at the same time.
2015-12-30 23:21 <linc01n> Valentine: oh... they are 1080/720 dual quality cam
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2015-12-31 09:29 <icedwater> Good morning folks!
2015-12-31 09:29 <icedwater> It's the last day of 2015 in Singapore :)
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2016-01-01 02:35 <Rainbow> Happy new year!
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2016-01-01 15:56 <Alex> hendry: yo
2016-01-01 15:56 <Alex> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34554175/git-clone-s3-error-403-forbidden just tried that, seems to work for me
2016-01-01 15:56 <WantonMee> [ amazon s3 - git clone S3 error: 403 Forbidden - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
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2016-01-01 19:14 <hendry> Alex: http://ix.io/n5M <--- doesn't work for me
2016-01-01 19:14 <hendry> Alex: Happy new year and thanks for taking a look !! :)
2016-01-01 19:27 <Alex> hendry: right, I see. I only get those errors if I have filesin the repo, yeah.
2016-01-01 19:27 <Alex> Looking a bit more now
2016-01-01 19:28 <hendry> Alex: you in Singapore ?
2016-01-01 19:28 <Alex> yup
2016-01-01 19:28 <Alex> also jgit seems interesting
2016-01-01 19:28 <Alex> hadn't encountered it before
2016-01-01 19:29 <hendry> jgit... eclipse plugin ?
2016-01-01 19:29 <Alex> http://blog.spearce.org/2008/07/using-jgit-to-publish-on-amazon-s3.html this bit
2016-01-01 19:29 <WantonMee> [ Insufficiently Random: Using jgit To Publish on Amazon S3 ] - blog.spearce.org
2016-01-01 19:29 <Alex> dunno if it even still works
2016-01-01 19:30 <hendry> git implementation in java... why do people bother
2016-01-01 19:35 <Alex> Hm
2016-01-01 19:35 <Alex> Does: /objects/bf/866b95d9517ea38e213740cead5cf1c313f5aa
2016-01-01 19:35 <Alex> that file exist in your s3 bucket, and does it exist in .git?
2016-01-01 19:37 <hendry> it would appear not on S3 http://ix.io/n5N
2016-01-01 19:38 <hendry> nor in my local repo: X1C3:~/go/src/github.com/kaihendry/lk$ find .git/ | grep 866
2016-01-01 19:38 <hendry> .git/objects/fe/3c9dc7855c6866d30add582d1dac72ce49b3e7
2016-01-01 19:38 <Alex> I wonder where git is getting that object from, then
2016-01-01 19:39 <hendry> why is it going 403 instead of 404 ?
2016-01-01 19:40 <Alex> because S3 returns a 403 when an object doesn't exist
2016-01-01 19:40 <hendry> Alex: hmm ok, can replicate that
2016-01-01 19:40 <hendry> yes, that's the issue. looking for an object that doesn't exist
2016-01-01 19:40 <Alex> but I don't know why git is looking for it - I know very little about git internals :(
2016-01-01 19:41 <Alex> it's referenced in the pack file:
2016-01-01 19:41 <Alex> bf866b95d9517ea38e213740cead5cf1c313f5aa blob   32 42 7185
2016-01-01 19:41 <Alex> (but I don't know what that means)
2016-01-01 19:43 <hendry> X1C3:~/go/src/github.com/kaihendry/lk/.git$ grep -r 866b95d9517ea38e213740cead5cf1c313f5aa .
2016-01-01 19:43 <hendry> gets no results for me .. .?!
2016-01-01 19:43 <Alex> git verify-pack -v objects/pack/pack-c09c1942e51effe9e1ce1106a8f1f57f845b0dee.idx
2016-01-01 19:44 <hendry> http://ix.io/n5O
2016-01-01 19:44 <Alex> yeah, continas: 'bf866b95d9517ea38e213740cead5cf1c313f5aa blob   32 42 7185'
2016-01-01 19:44 <hendry> i can git you a tar ball of my clone for you to play with ?
2016-01-01 19:45 <Alex> I can clone it and it gives me a repo, I just don't know if it's missing files.
2016-01-01 19:45 <hendry> i just chose this git repo because it was small
2016-01-01 19:45 <Alex> I wonder if it's S3's behaviour to throw a 403 that makes it seem like there's a problem
2016-01-01 19:45 <Alex> (when actually it's a false alarm)
2016-01-01 19:45 <hendry> https://github.com/kaihendry/lk
2016-01-01 19:45 <WantonMee> [ kaihendry/lk · GitHub ] - github.com
2016-01-01 19:46 <hendry> i could maybe set a 404 page up and that might
2016-01-01 19:46 <hendry> help
2016-01-01 19:47 <Alex> Interestingly that file is referenced in the pack if I clone it direct from github
2016-01-01 19:49 <Alex> Yeah, I think it's due to the file being missing, but when using a dumb HTTP server that doesn't 'speak git', it tries to enumerate every file in the pack
2016-01-01 19:49 <Alex> but I'm running out of S3-fu and it's firmly on the git side now, sorry
2016-01-01 19:59 <hendry> hmm, if you clone now, it works doesn't it Alex ?
2016-01-01 19:59 <hendry> git clone http://lktesting.s3-website-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/ bar
2016-01-01 20:00 <Alex> yup - although to be honest I think both /worked/, I think just one throw an error (red herring-ish)
2016-01-01 20:02 <hendry> oh, didn't realise previous clone worked
2016-01-01 20:03 <hendry> no, i think the previous one didn't work without the 404 defined.
2016-01-01 20:17 <hendry> hmm, trying again... i am puzzled
2016-01-01 21:05 <Alex> 20:02:15 < hendry> oh, didn't realise previous clone worked
2016-01-01 21:05 <Alex> it did
2016-01-01 21:05 <Alex> (for me)
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2016-01-03 12:02 <hendry> notthetup: http://natalian.org/2016/01/03/Rode_VideoMic_Me_review/
2016-01-03 15:45 <icedwater> Boom! Splat! Pow!
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2016-01-03 22:19 <hendry> Alex: i want to try sell an OS upon https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/ ... any tips?
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2016-01-03 22:29 <hendry> Alex: for example i wonder if they setup allows for S3 access, because I want to store stuff ultimately on S3 on client's account
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2016-01-04 10:02 <icedwater> Hi folks! Anyone able to help with this sticky git situation?
2016-01-04 10:02 <icedwater> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34583770/
2016-01-04 10:27 <hendry> archlinux mirrors in singapore... suuucccck
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2016-01-04 17:25 <hendry> if someone asks me about the state of OSS in Singapore, I will point them out the fact that no one can get a mirror running https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/683940909654753280
2016-01-04 17:32 <icedwater> You might want to tell the SG Linux people...
2016-01-04 17:33 <icedwater> Or if there's a Singapore ArchLinux community...
2016-01-04 17:36 <icedwater> But I guess you're more interested in complaining where it can't possibly make a difference, e.g. to the people who already KNOW about the state of OSS in Singapore.
2016-01-04 17:39 <Alex> I wonder why it's so delayed.
2016-01-04 17:40 <Alex> slash incomplete
2016-01-04 17:40 <hendry> it's generally been badly maintained over the time I've lived here
2016-01-04 17:40 <hendry> must have griped about it >10 times =)
2016-01-04 17:41 <hendry> if i had the resources, I'd run a mirror myself
2016-01-04 17:51 <Alex> yeah, wonder how pricey it works out to
2016-01-04 17:53 <jeaye> hendry: Yup, I use the Japanese Arch mirrors.
2016-01-04 17:55 <jeaye> http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/ArchLinux/$repo/os/$arch
2016-01-04 17:57 <Alex> oh, hey jeaye.
2016-01-04 17:57 <jeaye> Hi, ni hao.
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2016-01-04 22:05 <hendry> Alex: starting to think `git fsck` was the missing piece
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2016-01-05 08:45 <Alex> hendry: sweet
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2016-01-05 12:42 <ponyfleisch> i was googling about myrepublic and ipv6, and who shows up? https://twitter.com/myrepublic/status/426214294095556608
2016-01-05 12:43 <ponyfleisch> Alex: did you find out in the meantime?
2016-01-05 12:56 <Alex> No.
2016-01-05 12:56 <Alex> That was back when Jon Wong was there, he's long gone now
2016-01-05 13:19 <ponyfleisch> does that mean we'll never get ipv6 on mr?
2016-01-05 13:41 <Alex> I have no idea, sorry.
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2016-01-05 17:01 <ponyfleisch> Alex: neither does myrepublic: https://twitter.com/MyRepublic/status/684275662639611904
2016-01-05 17:01 <icedwater> If I reset --soft to 2 commits before HEAD, because I wanted to amend a commit there, how do I restore the detached commits? Is it possible?
2016-01-05 17:03 <hyperair> icedwater: cherry-pick them
2016-01-05 17:03 <hyperair> or reset --hard to the original head, but you'll go back to the old history.
2016-01-05 17:04 <icedwater> That's fine, I wanted to step back to just tweak one line, str(obj) rather than obj :P
2016-01-05 17:17 <icedwater> Whew, cherry-picked them back in. Thanks hyperair
2016-01-05 17:21 <icedwater> Playing with git log decoration now :/
2016-01-05 17:39 <hyperair> :)
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2016-01-06 09:30 <icedwater> Singapore have many good havker. Havker centre good
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2016-01-08 11:55 <hendry> Beer at Smokeys Joo Chiat 5PM
2016-01-08 11:55 <hendry> ponyfleisch: can you handle it?
2016-01-08 12:07 <ponyfleisch> heh, 5pm is a bit early.
2016-01-08 12:07 <ponyfleisch> i'm planning to go to the jfdi open house and then i have a reservation at meat smith at 8
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2016-01-08 12:08 <hendry> JFDI is on the other side of the PLANET
2016-01-08 12:09 <hendry> what's of interest there anyway?
2016-01-08 12:09 <icedwater> ponyfleisch: What's Meat Smith?
2016-01-08 12:09 <icedwater> .com.sg, is it?
2016-01-08 12:24 <ponyfleisch> icedwater: yeah i think
2016-01-08 12:24 <ponyfleisch> hendry: need to talk to people who know shit about startups and deals and stuff.
2016-01-08 12:29 <ponyfleisch> besides, i'm already on the other side of the planet (pasir panjang
2016-01-08 12:29 <ponyfleisch> )
2016-01-08 12:30 <hendry> ponyfleisch: you've moved?
2016-01-08 12:30 <ponyfleisch> no, i'm at my clients office
2016-01-08 12:31 <ponyfleisch> i'm still totally a geylang gangsta
2016-01-08 12:56 <hendry> I'm a business man
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2016-01-10 10:44 <hendry> moaning
2016-01-10 10:45 <hendry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34691470
2016-01-10 10:45 <WantonMee> [ html - Responsive pre tag - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
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2016-01-10 15:59 <GIANT_CRAB> hendry try pre-line instead
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2016-01-12 14:32 <oblith2> hi, anyone looking for remote temp/part-time java developer? I'm currently on payment space in SG working as team lead/solution designer/tester working on payment gateway
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2016-01-12 14:44 <hendry> some people get IRC
2016-01-12 14:44 <hendry> most people don't
2016-01-12 14:44 <hendry> Valentine_: what's the best prepaid deal atm ?
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2016-01-12 19:43 <Valentine_> hendry: they're all competitve
2016-01-12 19:48 <hendry> Valentine: i.e. copy each other? would hardly call that competitive
2016-01-12 19:54 <Valentine> yes, copy each other
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2016-01-12 22:29 <Alex> 'competitive means not the best'
2016-01-12 22:29 <Alex> advice given to me when discussing salaries.
2016-01-12 22:40 <Rainbow> Alex: new job??
2016-01-12 22:42 <Alex> Long ago, Rainbow.
2016-01-12 22:45 <Rainbow> D: no more aws??
2016-01-12 22:45 <Rainbow> Since when?
2016-01-12 22:47 <Alex> I mean that advice was given long ago.
2016-01-12 22:47 <Alex> I am at AWS still.
2016-01-12 22:47 <Alex> And unless you know more than me, it will remain that way for the foreseeable :)
2016-01-12 22:49 <linc01n> Hi Alex, are you alexjs?
2016-01-12 22:49 <Alex> I am.
2016-01-12 22:52 <Rainbow> Hahahha I don't know anything so you're safe xD
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2016-01-12 23:39 <Alex> linc01n: Why do you ask?
2016-01-12 23:40 <linc01n> AWS Singapore and alex (i just attended the aws meetup last week)
2016-01-12 23:40 <Alex> Ah, hey :)
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2016-01-13 00:27 <Valentine> Alex: careful, you have fans now
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2016-01-13 04:49 <Valentine> https://medium.com/@wob/the-sad-state-of-web-development-1603a861d29f#.6bnhueg0t this sounds like something hendry would write
2016-01-13 04:49 <WantonMee> [ The Sad State of Web Development — Medium ] - medium.com
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2016-01-13 09:31 <hendry> Valentine: sad that when it comes to sanity people point to me ;)
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2016-01-13 17:21 <icedwater> We all need negative examples from time to time to illustrate points ;)
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2016-01-13 19:00 <n00b88> agree
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2016-01-13 22:12 <hendry> whoever coded https://www.nationalgallery.sg/ deserves a smack
2016-01-13 22:12 <WantonMee> [ Southeast Asian Art Museum | National Gallery Singapore ] - www.nationalgallery.sg
2016-01-13 22:13 <hendry> URL off the FAQ https://www.nationalgallery.sg/visit-accessibility
2016-01-13 22:13 <WantonMee> [ Accessibility | National Gallery Singapore ] - www.nationalgallery.sg
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2016-01-13 22:33 <krchia> hi, will there be anyone in the afternoon?
2016-01-13 22:33 <krchia> tomorrow afternoon
2016-01-13 22:34 <krchia> i'm guessing it'll be deserted because people will be working
2016-01-13 22:34 <krchia> what do you guys do at hackerspace typically?
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2016-01-14 09:31 <icedwater> Pity krchia isn't here any more. In any case, there should be people working there...
2016-01-14 10:06 <icedwater> Morning, marcog :P
2016-01-14 10:11 <marcog> monring, icedwater ;)
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2016-01-14 15:36 <icedwater> Welcome back, krchia :)
2016-01-14 15:37 <icedwater> Are you at the space now?
2016-01-14 15:52 <krchia> icedwater: nope
2016-01-14 15:53 <krchia> i wasn't sure what to expect so..
2016-01-14 16:01 <icedwater> Yep, if you can, try to stay online longer.
2016-01-14 16:01 <icedwater> There is no guarantee people will read or respond to messages immediately here.
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2016-01-14 18:31 <icedwater> hyperair: so if I want to build packages in-house for colleagues using Ubuntu to install, I need to follow packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html ?
2016-01-14 18:31 <hyperair> yeah
2016-01-14 18:32 <hyperair> well, the guide only tells you how to do it the proper way
2016-01-14 18:32 <hyperair> i don't think it tells you what you can cut corners about
2016-01-14 18:32 <hyperair> which is well and good
2016-01-14 18:32 <icedwater> OK. So I can't just roll my own control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, debian-binary and put it into a .deb file?
2016-01-14 18:33 <hyperair> you could
2016-01-14 18:33 <hyperair> there are tools that help
2016-01-14 18:33 <hyperair> dpkg-deb or something
2016-01-14 18:34 <hyperair> i think you put the contents of control.tar.gz into DEBIAN/
2016-01-14 18:34 <icedwater> Yeah
2016-01-14 18:34 <icedwater> Hmm, didn't see that in this package though. I ripped a python-scipy apart.
2016-01-14 18:35 <hyperair> it's not usually the way it's done though, so i need to reread a bunch of manpages if i were to try and figure it out
2016-01-14 18:35 <icedwater> The wikipedia page says debian-package must be the first file in the archive.
2016-01-14 18:35 <hyperair> we usually go through a whole series of debhelper tools to build these packages from source instead.
2016-01-14 18:35 <icedwater> I thought that that might be all the constraint I need to follow.
2016-01-14 18:35 <hyperair> yeah i think that's all there is to it
2016-01-14 18:35 <icedwater> Yeah, I know about debhelper stuff... a bit lazy to install and learn those things.
2016-01-14 18:35 <icedwater> Though I think it's probably the better option to do in the long run :P
2016-01-14 18:35 <hyperair> yeah it is
2016-01-14 18:36 <hyperair> you don't even need to understand all the debhelper tools
2016-01-14 18:36 <hyperair> i used to generate source packages that'll spit out binary debs from existing binaries
2016-01-14 18:36 <hyperair> for commercial stuff, that is
2016-01-14 18:37 <icedwater> So you'd have say a bunch of .so and some ELFs, then run it through the tools to produce an "installer"? :P
2016-01-14 18:38 <icedwater> Anyway probably gonna take the time to set up a docker image or a VM as a packaging environment just for lols
2016-01-14 18:38 <icedwater> And that will be on the end of my to-do list so I'll forget about it by tomorrow :P
2016-01-14 18:41 <hyperair> icedwater: no i get a debian 'source' package i can feed into a ppa and have it build debs for me
2016-01-14 18:41 <hyperair> apt-get installable debs
2016-01-14 18:41 <hyperair> because it also populates the apt repository and all
2016-01-14 18:41 <hyperair> which has the added benefit of easy dependency resolution
2016-01-14 18:46 <icedwater> hyperair: by which you mean something like what you get from apt-get source <pkgname> right?
2016-01-14 18:46 <icedwater> Also, we should talk about the singlish translation group on Ubuntu, I wonder if they've closed it down for inactivity. :P
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2016-01-14 20:02 <hyperair> icedwater: yes
2016-01-14 20:02 <hyperair> lol the singlish
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2016-01-15 09:24 <icedwater> krchia: heh, hello
2016-01-15 09:24 <krchia> hello :) sorry for the login spam
2016-01-15 09:25 <icedwater> Not a problem, I have it muted on my end, I only see you changing nicks :P
2016-01-15 09:25 <icedwater> Connection problems ah?
2016-01-15 09:27 <krchia> yeah.. thunderbolt connector T_T
2016-01-15 09:33 <icedwater> *ahem* see lah, use fruits to go online *ahem*
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2016-01-15 10:28 <n00b88> what's wrong with fruits?
2016-01-15 10:29 <icedwater> Some of them are expensive, and more fashionable than practical :P
2016-01-15 10:30 <icedwater> hyperair: hmm, no way to read changelogs from inside debian packages eh. I'm wondering if some things should be mandated...
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2016-01-15 10:34 <n00b88> why won't you think fruits is practical :)
2016-01-15 10:34 <n00b88> it's pretty usable and less crashable
2016-01-15 10:34 <n00b88> :P
2016-01-15 10:38 <icedwater> Raspberry, yes... :P
2016-01-15 11:10 <hyperair> icedwater: if you use emacs, you can open debs without installing them.
2016-01-15 11:10 <hyperair> or extracting them for that matter
2016-01-15 11:11 <hyperair> actually come to think of it, if you open a deb with file-roller (gnome's archiver tool) you can just open up the deb and read the changelog from /usr/share/doc/$pkgname/changelog.Debian.gz
2016-01-15 11:21 <icedwater> Hmm, yeah maybe
2016-01-15 11:23 <icedwater> vim can unpack the .ar-type archive, but shows each of the internal tarballs as binary data heh
2016-01-15 11:29 <n00b88> LOL
2016-01-15 11:30 <n00b88> you  must be too stressed from work
2016-01-15 11:38 <notthetup> hello folks
2016-01-15 11:38 <icedwater> notthetup: hey!
2016-01-15 11:38 <notthetup> are there any good hosted options for running a mailing list?
2016-01-15 11:39 <notthetup> google groups is the obvious one.. but any others?
2016-01-15 11:44 <icedwater> n
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2016-01-15 17:38 <qfwfq> request for beer
2016-01-15 18:41 <icedwater> Hope for good fortune and good alcohol, qfwfq. I won't be joining you folk tonight.
2016-01-15 18:43 <qfwfq> icedwater: U+2322
2016-01-15 19:25 <Valentine> qfwfq: they're at Good Beer now
2016-01-15 19:27 <qfwfq> Hmm..
2016-01-15 19:28 <qfwfq> I'll head that way, thanks.
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2016-01-15 23:24 <icedwater> U+2324
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2016-01-16 01:44 <icedwater> laser join
2016-01-16 01:44 <icedwater> Bah, this tmux isn't nested :P
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2016-01-16 03:37 <kushal> Anyone awake?
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2016-01-16 08:50 <notthetup> hello
2016-01-16 10:12 <icedwater> Hi :D
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2016-01-16 19:19 <samice1> hey guys need some help, was helping this comp find bugs on my iphone, but since then (yest) the phone has been turning on/off by itself, lagging, freezing. I asked them to uninstall the app but still think the phone is compromised. Dont really want to reset, is it poss to find the code and delete it ? thanks
2016-01-16 19:21 <samice1> As in take it to an engineer, just want to know if that's poss
2016-01-16 19:23 <icedwater> Not too sure about that, unless you can identify the place you think it's been compromised.
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2016-01-17 12:34 <kushal> Good morning everyone.
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2016-01-17 13:22 <notthetup> hello
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2016-01-17 17:48 <GIANT_CRAB> hello
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2016-01-17 21:40 <triplez> hmm
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2016-01-17 23:35 <icedwater> omnomnom
2016-01-17 23:35 <icedwater> Hi triplez
2016-01-17 23:35 <icedwater> Long time no see.
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2016-01-18 08:28 <Valentine> hendry_: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10921365 please reconsider Glacier
2016-01-18 08:28 <WantonMee> [ I ended up paying $150 for a single 60GB download from Amazon Glacier | Hacker News ] - news.ycombinator.com
2016-01-18 08:29 <Valentine> I've always known it was stupid for single-user backup cases
2016-01-18 08:34 <notthetup> exactly!
2016-01-18 08:34 <notthetup> IMO glacier is perfect for your 4th tier backup
2016-01-18 08:35 <notthetup> i mean 3rd tier.. sorry.. 1st back = local/accessible.. 2nd backup = remote/offsite
2016-01-18 08:37 <Valentine> I think Glacier's best for company things that'll get your ass sued if you lose them
2016-01-18 08:37 <Valentine> for everything else, there's Amazon Cloud Drive
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2016-01-18 11:28 <Valentine> hendry_: one more TIL https://therub.org/2015/11/18/glacier-costlier-than-s3-for-small-files/
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2016-01-18 22:16 <hyperair> okay, so on a macbook, if you press ctrl+shift together (with negligible time in between), and then press power, it does nothing. but if you press ctrl, shift, and power with significant delay in between, it works
2016-01-18 22:16 <hyperair> wtf
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2016-01-19 05:16 <Valentine> ooh Amazon's nice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10923021
2016-01-19 05:16 <WantonMee> [ OP here. Some updates and clarifications are in order! First of all, I just wok... | Hacker News ] - news.ycombinator.com
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2016-01-19 13:52 <notthetup> hyperair: what's your new gig?
2016-01-19 14:45 <hyperair> notthetup: zendesk
2016-01-19 14:57 <notthetup> whoa!
2016-01-19 14:57 <notthetup> what you doing there?
2016-01-19 15:04 <hyperair> automating stuff, i think
2016-01-19 15:04 <hyperair> not too clear on what my current responsibilities are since it's just my second day
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2016-01-19 15:29 <notthetup> cool so you're at zopim office? or?
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2016-01-19 16:31 <kushal> hyperair, Hello there :)
2016-01-19 16:32 <kushal> hyperair, that explains the mac :)
2016-01-19 16:34 <hyperair> kushal: yeah
2016-01-19 16:35 <hyperair> notthetup: zopim office, yeah
2016-01-19 16:35 <kushal> hyperair, hopefully I will come down in March
2016-01-19 16:36 <hyperair> see you then
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2016-01-19 19:42 <hendry> Valentine: reconsider ??
2016-01-19 19:42 <Valentine> hendry: are you planning to move to infrequent access or glacier?
2016-01-19 19:42 <hendry> Valentine: I'm using IA now as a default
2016-01-19 19:43 <hendry> Valentine: my bill has not spiked or anything, so I'm happy
2016-01-19 19:44 <hendry> anyone got some redmart discount coodes?
2016-01-19 19:45 <Valentine> hendry: buy with AMEX
2016-01-19 19:45 <Valentine> it's 6% off I think
2016-01-19 19:45 <Valentine> that is if you have an AMEX…
2016-01-19 19:46 <hendry> who has AMEX?
2016-01-19 19:46 <Valentine> hendry: PM
2016-01-19 19:47 <hendry> ohkay
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2016-01-21 07:26 <an0nhillo> hi
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2016-01-21 11:38 <twr10> hi there - just to identify me: "durian cake" - hope not all members hate me still because of the smell - i made it back well to jkt
2016-01-21 11:57 <kushal> Good morning everyone
2016-01-21 12:03 <notthetup> hahaha
2016-01-21 12:03 <notthetup> i missed twr10's cake though.. was it good?
2016-01-21 12:17 <twr10> the people eating it seemed to like it
2016-01-21 12:17 <twr10> maybe not as pungent as fresh durian but mixed pretty well with the dough
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2016-01-21 17:03 <icedwater> Hmm, if you see a <dial unix /path/to/socket/the.socket: connect: connection refused> it's a permissions issue reading/writing that socket file right?
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2016-01-21 17:55 <icedwater> Marlinski: you were interested in setting up a Cryptoparty at FOSSASIA?
2016-01-21 18:10 <notthetup> there was someone on the HSG forums also asking about that ^
2016-01-21 18:13 <icedwater> Mailing list, notthetup?
2016-01-21 18:14 <notthetup> yea.. sorry mailing list
2016-01-21 18:14 <notthetup> braindead today
2016-01-21 18:16 <icedwater> p
2016-01-21 18:16 <icedwater> Oops
2016-01-21 18:16 <icedwater> Err yeah I'm trying to see if that might be the person I told about the HSG mailing list through another person lol
2016-01-21 18:17 <icedwater> Oh wait, no, that's the wrong way around.
2016-01-21 18:19 <icedwater> Anyhow, back to peering at unix sockets. My gitlab migration is in limbo. :/
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2016-01-21 18:36 <icedwater> l
2016-01-21 18:36 <icedwater> p
2016-01-21 18:36 <icedwater> ...
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2016-01-21 19:16 <twr10> just figured out that I can't use crashlytics for the iOS part of my game
2016-01-21 19:17 <twr10> Anybody has a case for googel analytics vs. flurry - it seems I coudl use both for error reporting portabel on android and ios
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2016-01-21 20:14 <twr10> Just seeing: https://github.com/robovm/robovm-robopods/tree/master/fabric - latest commit 4 days ago
2016-01-21 20:14 <WantonMee> [ robovm-robopods/fabric at master · robovm/robovm-robopods · GitHub ] - github.com
2016-01-21 20:14 <twr10> ;-)
2016-01-21 20:15 <twr10> WantonMee: so it might work
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2016-01-21 21:54 <Marlinski> icedwater: when is FOSSASIA already ?
2016-01-21 21:54 <Marlinski> 18-20 March hmm
2016-01-21 21:54 <Marlinski> Yes i'd still be happy to organise a cryptoparty session
2016-01-21 21:55 <Marlinski> You have good memory because last time I mentioned this it was last year :)
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2016-01-22 00:13 <icedwater> I have community memory :P
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2016-01-22 10:10 <hendry> Marlinski: you back in Singapore?
2016-01-22 11:13 <Marlinski> hendry: yes
2016-01-22 11:21 <hendry> Marlinski: cool, we should catch up. Though I guess I'll be busy for a while longer. Entertaining my parents.
2016-01-22 11:50 <Marlinski> sure, your parents are in town ? I guess they help you catching some sleep with the new family member
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2016-01-25 12:05 <hendry> howdy
2016-01-25 12:08 <Alex> sup
2016-01-25 12:08 <Alex> Your folks enjoying SG?
2016-01-25 12:11 <hendry> Yeah. Dad has gone to chemist so I am on my computer in peace =)
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2016-01-25 22:11 <icedwater> Damn. Bunch of Amway types next to my table at Burger King.
2016-01-25 22:11 <icedwater> Didn't know they had a nest here.
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2016-01-26 09:54 <icedwater> Morning hackerfolks
2016-01-26 09:54 <icedwater> For those in the Blk71 area, you may already have noticed that Coffee Bandits is back on Tuesdays :)
2016-01-26 10:03 <icedwater> Marlinski: met another guy who wanted to set up a Cryptoparty yesterday.
2016-01-26 10:03 <icedwater> The one who sent a mail to the HSG mailing list
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2016-01-26 10:43 <icedwater> I suggested he join us on # to chat about stuff, in case more people here are interested in helping with the cryptoparty.
2016-01-26 10:53 <Marlinski> is he coming to the space once in a while ?
2016-01-26 10:55 <icedwater> He came I suppose for the second time yesterday, but he did say he would be hanging out there quite often
2016-01-26 11:06 <Marlinski> let me know if he comes and want to speak about it, I can be in the space in 3mn  :)
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2016-01-26 18:50 <hendry> Alex: wish AWS could do multiple of 10USD http://s.natalian.org/2016-01-26/1453805430_1918x1058.png ;)
2016-01-26 19:28 <hendry> WorkMail resources looks interesting... http://s.natalian.org/2016-01-26/workmail-resources.png
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2016-01-26 21:14 <icedwater> Marlinski: sure, let's see :P
2016-01-26 21:23 <icedwater> Marlinski: can I have your email address to pass to the dude?
2016-01-26 21:26 <icedwater> Or just mail me at icedwater at gmail
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2016-01-27 10:52 <Alex> hendry: You mean like 'every incremental 10USD'?
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2016-01-27 12:09 <hendry> Alex: yeah
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2016-01-27 14:10 <twr10> Hiho, it seems I left my antvr-vr-viewer in singapore
2016-01-27 14:10 <twr10> did you guys happen to find it?
2016-01-27 14:10 <twr10> i left it most likely in the little office space
2016-01-27 14:25 <icedwater> twr10: I think the message has been noted, if anyone is in the space you will probably get it back if they can find it.
2016-01-27 14:25 <icedwater> I hope so, anyway. When are you coming back?
2016-01-27 14:39 <twr10> latest in march
2016-01-27 14:39 <twr10> i would just be happy if i knew it were there
2016-01-27 14:40 <twr10> you are also welcome to use it, but your zeiss vr viewer is actually nicer
2016-01-27 14:41 <twr10> still all regulars sleeping?
2016-01-27 14:49 <icedwater> twr10: more likely at day jobs, as I am. I just happen to have a tmux pane for IRC :P
2016-01-27 14:50 <twr10> :-)
2016-01-27 14:50 <twr10> true
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2016-01-27 19:39 <hendry> Alex: did you see my face when I realised I wiped my phone? ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIGLNe4PyuA
2016-01-27 19:39 <WantonMee> [ AWS WorkMail first impressions featuring a Wipe on IOS - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
2016-01-27 20:19 <Alex> I *may* have watched it just now. I just wanted to hug you ;_;
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2016-01-27 21:19 <ntropy> noone has op?  is that by design or is the operator not present? :)
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2016-01-27 21:41 <emin> @Marlinski, are you there?
2016-01-27 22:14 <hendry> ntropy: why do you need op?
2016-01-27 22:31 <ntropy> i don't, just found it interesting that there isn't one
2016-01-27 22:52 <hendry> ntropy: it's the norm on sane channels
2016-01-27 22:57 <ntropy> nice, i like it
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2016-01-27 23:22 <Valentine> hendry: I should try to make you famous
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2016-01-28 10:25 <icedwater> Valentine: hi, long time no hear.
2016-01-28 10:26 <icedwater> Marlinski: did you meet emin already?
2016-01-28 10:53 <n00b88> what's up guys
2016-01-28 10:53 <n00b88> whats up guys
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2016-01-28 11:45 <icedwater> n00b88: the first one was correct.
2016-01-28 11:46 <n00b88> icedwater: the first what?
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2016-01-28 11:54 <icedwater> "what's up guys".
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2016-01-28 13:34 <icedwater> n
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2016-01-28 18:58 <hendry> Alex: I'm right in saying there is no way to attach a SSL to an S3 bucket? It's cloudfront or bust, right?
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2016-01-29 08:03 <Alex> hendry: correct, you can't have custom ssl on s3
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2016-01-29 10:21 <hendry> Alex: cheers
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2016-01-29 15:36 <icedwater> note
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2016-01-29 18:07 <hendry> hyperair: do you know if http://www.android.com/one/ or http://www.generalmobile.com/ are available in Singapore / Malaysia?
2016-01-29 18:07 <WantonMee> [ Android One ] - www.android.com
2016-01-29 18:07 <WantonMee> [ Android One - General Mobile Official Web Site ] - www.generalmobile.com
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2016-02-02 08:07 <M-Valentine> hello world
2016-02-02 09:22 <icedwater> 0
2016-02-02 09:23 <icedwater> Anyone know someone who can recover data from a factory-reset phone?
2016-02-02 09:24 <icedwater> Those services are wanted for a demo of some secure-wipe software.
2016-02-02 09:26 <Valentine> sounds… very very tough
2016-02-02 10:06 <icedwater> Yeah
2016-02-02 10:06 <icedwater> I honestly have no idea :P
2016-02-02 10:10 <marcog_> isn't that a similar process to recovering regular deleted data?
2016-02-02 10:13 <icedwater> I suppose so. Do you know someone who can do that?
2016-02-02 10:15 <marcog> when I did it I think I used something called photorec, it was pretty straight forward
2016-02-02 10:16 <icedwater> Hmm. Never tried it on phones before.
2016-02-02 10:20 <marcog> I don't see why it should be different...
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2016-02-02 10:56 <icedwater> Would you like to demo it to a small group of journalists, then? Each session will be about 2-3 hours long and earn you 50/hour
2016-02-02 11:01 <marcog> I wouldn't mind, let's talk details during lunch?
2016-02-02 11:06 <icedwater> marcog: I'll send you what I have now lol. Lunch might be tricky :P
2016-02-02 11:07 <marcog> icedwater: ok no prob
2016-02-02 11:14 <icedwater> Sent /msges, I'll update as more details come in.
2016-02-02 11:17 <marcog> ok
2016-02-02 11:17 <icedwater> I added parse_git_branch() to display branch names in my prompt, but I can't seem to get rid of the error message when I am not in a git repo, even though I have "git branch 2> /dev/null | ..." as part of the chain. What am I doing wrong?
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2016-02-03 11:26 <icedwater> Marlinski: have you met Emin since? :P
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2016-02-03 22:47 <icedwater> Marlinski: ping
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2016-02-05 00:36 <icedwater> jmarki: jmarki_eek ping
2016-02-05 00:36 <icedwater> Would you be interested in a Cryptoparty?
2016-02-05 00:36 <jmarki> hmm... nowadays no time to sleep...
2016-02-05 00:37 <icedwater> Details still up in the air, but we're aiming to have it around FOSSASIA.
2016-02-05 00:37 <icedwater> Nods, just ping me if you change your mind. :)
2016-02-05 00:38 <icedwater> Anyone else interested is also welcome to help organise, or just take part, either way :)
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2016-02-05 10:42 <moriarty> hey folks
2016-02-05 10:45 <icedwater> ACTION sneaks quietly to a safe place.
2016-02-05 10:45 <moriarty> so who's rich in here?
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2016-02-05 10:50 <icedwater> LOL
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2016-02-08 22:58 <twr10> Anybody here might have an idea how to do a UDP server in Java without not leaking memory every time when accessing a buffer?
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2016-02-08 23:23 <kushal> twr10, rewrite in Scala may be :)
2016-02-08 23:25 <twr10> I wish I could rewrite it in C
2016-02-08 23:25 <twr10> but it's part of a libgdx-game
2016-02-08 23:25 <twr10> so, Java it is
2016-02-08 23:26 <twr10> even python or even bash would work better than Java
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2016-02-09 00:12 <twr10> ok, leak is not in java - leak was due to the fact that I ran two opengl (lwgl) programs at the same time on the same pc
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2016-02-09 01:07 <kushal> Anyone still awake?
2016-02-09 01:10 <Rainbow> Hi kushal
2016-02-09 01:17 <kushal> Trying to figure out a space for a week (14-21) march, coming down with wife+kid. Any tips?
2016-02-09 01:26 <Rainbow> kushal: tips for...?
2016-02-09 01:27 <kushal> Rainbow, where to stay etc :)
2016-02-09 01:27 <kushal> last year I came alone and stayed in Porcelain hotel in chinatown
2016-02-09 01:30 <Rainbow> Ah. Unfortunately I have no clue about hotels, never having needed one, sorry! Friend of mine stayed at a nice hostel near Dhoby Ghaut called Hangout. He got a private room, I saw it, nice big room with decent view. Booked 6 months in advance though. That place is very popular
2016-02-09 01:31 <kushal> Rainbow, Okay
2016-02-09 01:33 <Rainbow> kushal are you coming for work or vacation
2016-02-09 01:33 <kushal> Rainbow, fossasia
2016-02-09 01:34 <Rainbow> Cool
2016-02-09 01:35 <kushal> Rainbow, so a mix of both :)
2016-02-09 02:27 <Valentine> kushal: have you tried airbnb?
2016-02-09 02:27 <Valentine> they might be better for larger groups
2016-02-09 02:27 <kushal> Valentine,  found https://www.airbnb.co.in/rooms/835209?checkin=14-03-2016&checkout=21-03-2016&guests=2&s=j2Vr8ZZM
2016-02-09 02:27 <RotiPrata> [ (Improved) Up Chinatown MRT 24-1 - Apartments for Rent in Singapore ] - www.airbnb.co.in
2016-02-09 02:28 <Valentine> but if it's just the two of you + kid then it's fine
2016-02-09 02:28 <kushal> Valentine, not sure about the location
2016-02-09 02:28 <Valentine> I will suggest something on the East-West line to get to the Science Centre
2016-02-09 02:28 <Valentine> and if you're doing Airbnb, just rent somewhere near Jurong East
2016-02-09 02:29 <Valentine> (which is all the way in the west)
2016-02-09 02:29 <kushal> Oh
2016-02-09 02:29 <Rainbow> Noo don't rent JE, it will be a pain to go to town
2016-02-09 02:30 <Rainbow> Though, it *should* be cheaper because of that
2016-02-09 02:30 <Rainbow> If price is a factor
2016-02-09 02:30 <kushal> Rainbow, it is, but I would prefer someplace near to city/hackerspace :)
2016-02-09 02:31 <Rainbow> JE is definitely not near hackerspace
2016-02-09 02:31 <Valentine> $89/night for a private room is pretty cheap already
2016-02-09 02:31 <Rainbow> There's a new MRT line, the downtown line. if you're going back to Chinatown there's a DT station there
2016-02-09 02:32 <Valentine> if you prefer a hotel i have a friend whose family runs a budget hotel: http://www.haising.com.sg/rates.html
2016-02-09 02:32 <RotiPrata> [ Haising Hotel Room rates - Singapore Haising Hotel ] - www.haising.com.sg
2016-02-09 02:32 <Valentine> so it's around $65-90/night
2016-02-09 02:33 <Valentine> 15 mins walk from HSG
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2016-02-09 02:37 <kdas_> sorry got dc
2016-02-09 02:37 <kdas_> Valentine, Rainbow
2016-02-09 02:41 <Rainbow> kdas_ is company paying for your accommodation? ;)
2016-02-09 02:43 <kdas_> Rainbow, nope
2016-02-09 02:43 <Rainbow> Pity
2016-02-09 02:43 <kdas_> Rainbow, no budget
2016-02-09 02:43 <Rainbow> What company is this?
2016-02-09 02:44 <Rainbow> kdas_ what about transportation?
2016-02-09 02:44 <kdas_> Rainbow, I am paying in full, my team do not have any budget left
2016-02-09 02:44 <kdas_> Rainbow, I am in RH :)
2016-02-09 02:45 <Rainbow> Ohhh...like hyperair ...used to
2016-02-09 02:45 <kdas_> Rainbow, hehe
2016-02-09 02:45 <kdas_> Rainbow, yes, I met him for the first time in RH
2016-02-09 02:45 <kdas_> and then in the hackerspace
2016-02-09 02:46 <kdas_> last year
2016-02-09 02:46 <Rainbow> Cool
2016-02-09 02:46 <Rainbow> But I can see why he left >=D
2016-02-09 02:48 <kdas_> Rainbow, I don't know his cause.
2016-02-09 02:48 <Rainbow> I'm kidding
2016-02-09 02:49 <kdas_> Rainbow, but this is more of my failure not to talk about this to the team on time. I was not sure if I am coming or not.
2016-02-09 02:49 <kdas_> Rainbow, :)
2016-02-09 02:49 <kdas_> Rainbow, Red Hat is the best place I have worked in.
2016-02-09 02:49 <kdas_> Rainbow, I am proud to wear my Fedora even in SG heat :p
2016-02-09 02:50 <Rainbow> Hahaha wow. Much dedication
2016-02-09 02:51 <Valentine> kdas_: hyperair never got his fedora =P
2016-02-09 02:52 <kdas_> Valentine, there is some issue with imports in some country including India iirc
2016-02-09 02:52 <kdas_> Rainbow, yup, RH is more like family to me.
2016-02-09 02:52 <Valentine> kdas_: no it's just that he's always been a contractor and not full time staff
2016-02-09 02:53 <kdas_> Valentine, ah
2016-02-09 02:53 <Rainbow> He was just a mistress... XD
2016-02-09 09:46 <hyperair> lol
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2016-02-12 08:42 <hendry> random thought for this morning
2016-02-12 08:42 <hendry> most FDW & construction workers are unbanked in Singapore
2016-02-12 10:21 <hendry> ACTION wonders how to convert a wordpress blog to markdown ASAP
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2016-02-12 11:23 <Alex> hendry: Markdown specifically, or just dumped to static?
2016-02-12 11:39 <hendry> markdown ideally, but I guess it doesn't matter too much
2016-02-12 12:50 <hyperair> wget -R?
2016-02-12 12:50 <hyperair> followed by some sed hackery, that is
2016-02-12 12:52 <icedwater> There's a wordpress-xml export, you can start from there
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2016-02-12 13:31 <Alex> Yeah, there's staticpress too but it hasn't bene maintained in a while
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2016-02-12 18:52 <Lepak> <valentine> @hendry: is it just me or is http://cam.hackerspace.sg|cam.hackerspace.sg not changing images (at least on mobile)?
2016-02-12 18:59 <Lepak> <valentine> @vi: any interest in organising a Cryptoparty for FOSSASIA? cc @icedwater
2016-02-12 21:54 <hendry> Valentine: it won't change if your browser doesn't support webp
2016-02-12 21:54 <Valentine> hendry: so it's broken on both iOS safari and chrome?
2016-02-12 22:17 <kushal> Anyone in this channel have tried Project Atomic?
2016-02-12 23:02 <hendry> kushal: i use CoreOS atm
2016-02-12 23:02 <hendry> i'm keen on http://rancher.com/rancher-os/ but DO doesn't support it
2016-02-12 23:02 <RotiPrata> [ RancherOS | Rancher Labs ] - rancher.com
2016-02-12 23:43 <icedwater> Come on, how could you possibly use a browser that doesn't support webp? Get with the times, Valentine!
2016-02-12 23:46 <kushal> hendry, Okay
2016-02-12 23:46 <kushal> hendry, I have to try it out
2016-02-13 00:18 <icedwater> Valentine: nice to note that only Chrome and Opera support webp, according to caniuse.com :)
2016-02-13 00:19 <icedwater> Wouldn't you just be stuck in the present without hendry to think forward for you?
2016-02-13 01:03 <Valentine> icedwater: Chrome on iOS doesn't support it, I think — hence my complaint
2016-02-13 01:04 <Valentine> it used to work though
2016-02-13 01:04 <Valentine> weird
2016-02-13 01:09 <icedwater> Dunno lah
2016-02-13 01:09 <icedwater> Going to sleep now, I suppose :)
2016-02-13 01:10 <icedwater> Let's see who responds for the cryptoparty thing. Marlinski's dropped off the radar...
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2016-02-13 12:47 <hendry> webp has never been supported on IOS
2016-02-13 18:25 <Valentine> hendry: so what's the point of cam.hsg using webp
2016-02-13 19:01 <hendry> Valentine: save disk space
2016-02-13 19:01 <hendry> Valentine: have a look at https://github.com/hackerspacesg/s3cam
2016-02-13 19:01 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - hackerspacesg/s3cam: Slideshow ontop of a public S3 bucket ] - github.com
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2016-02-13 22:50 <hendry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e5h5-4fYEc&feature=youtu.be
2016-02-13 22:50 <RotiPrata> [ Life in Kembangan Chai Chee 2015 SG50 commemorative booklet - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
2016-02-14 10:28 <hendry> Alex: does the free AWS cert thing be applied to Lambda services?
2016-02-14 10:57 <Alex> you mean can it be applied to API Gateway?
2016-02-14 10:57 <Alex> Not yet, no.
2016-02-14 12:59 <GIANT_CRAB> lumberyard, premium release
2016-02-14 12:59 <GIANT_CRAB> alex any aws meetup soon?
2016-02-14 14:34 <Alex> Hey GIANT_CRAB.
2016-02-14 14:35 <Alex> Not planned yet, but there will be p soon. Thinking towards the end of March
2016-02-14 14:38 <GIANT_CRAB> Alex are you gonna go for FOSSASIA this year? :)
2016-02-14 17:43 <hendry> Alex: who is the FB admin for AWS Singapore ?
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2016-02-15 10:37 <Alex> hendry: I am one of them, I think I can make you one, too
2016-02-15 10:37 <hendry> Alex: did you see that interesting Tattoo post?
2016-02-15 10:38 <Alex> In the UG?
2016-02-15 10:38 <Alex> No...
2016-02-15 10:38 <Alex> was it removed already?
2016-02-15 10:56 <Alex> hendry: First day?
2016-02-15 10:57 <hendry> Alex: yes
2016-02-15 10:57 <hendry> having to use Windows7 atm
2016-02-15 10:57 <hendry> what do people use to make screenshotting faster on Windows?
2016-02-15 10:57 <hendry> The whole loading up Paint thing is a bit cumbersome
2016-02-15 10:58 <Alex> Snipping Tool
2016-02-15 10:58 <Alex> Works pretty well, and there are Explorer helpers
2016-02-15 10:59 <hendry> but what if I want to save the file to a folder with a 2016-02-15T10:59+08:00.png type file name
2016-02-15 10:59 <hendry> with one short cut
2016-02-15 11:00 <Alex> I think that's something you'd have to do manually yeah.
2016-02-15 11:00 <Alex> (with an extension or something)
2016-02-15 13:14 <robertsky> try Alt + PrtSc
2016-02-15 14:34 <hendry> using greenshot which seems to save a step. rather unimpressive.
2016-02-15 17:01 <GIANT_CRAB> hendry take a look at Share-x
2016-02-15 17:01 <GIANT_CRAB> sharex*
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2016-02-15 21:42 <Lepak> <miccheng> Back in the day… we used to use https://www.techsmith.com/jing.html
2016-02-15 21:42 <RotiPrata> [ TechSmith | Jing, Free Screenshot and Screencast Software ] - www.techsmith.com
2016-02-15 21:42 <Lepak> <miccheng> Its free
2016-02-15 21:43 <Lepak> <miccheng> cross platform i believe.
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2016-02-16 13:25 <github> [hackerspace.sg] robertsky pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vg7eY
2016-02-16 13:25 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 7b03499 Robert Sim: Add webuild to rojak calendar and include in the description.
2016-02-16 13:25 <robertsky> meh. wanted to do a pull request from sourcetree and ended up pushing to master branch instead. zzz
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2016-02-16 20:57 <Valentine> holy shit this is good: http://rclone.org/docs/
2016-02-16 20:57 <RotiPrata> [ Documentation ] - rclone.org
2016-02-16 20:57 <Valentine> I just used it to sync to Amazon Cloud Drive
2016-02-16 20:57 <Valentine> 12MB/s with 8 concurrent transfers
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2016-02-17 10:17 <hendry> argh, trying to get new company to use Github and Github seems feckin' down
2016-02-17 10:18 <Lepak> <miccheng> website looks up.
2016-02-17 10:18 <Lepak> <miccheng> I just managed to do a git pull.
2016-02-17 10:18 <Lepak> <miccheng> Not sure what’s your problem.
2016-02-17 10:18 <Lepak> <miccheng> have you tried turning on your router?
2016-02-17 10:18 <hendry> miccheng: push is unresponsive
2016-02-17 10:22 <Lepak> <miccheng> I just managed to push
2016-02-17 10:22 <Lepak> <miccheng> how big is your repo?
2016-02-17 10:22 <Lepak> <miccheng> If its huge, the initial push might take a while.
2016-02-17 10:23 <Lepak> <miccheng> One does not simply push push 7GB to Github
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2016-02-17 11:46 <hendry> miccheng: got it working after a retry
2016-02-17 11:46 <Lepak> <miccheng> ok
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2016-02-18 17:23 <Valentine> holy shit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11122966
2016-02-18 17:23 <RotiPrata> [ TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation | Hacker News ] - news.ycombinator.com
2016-02-18 17:23 <Valentine> hendry: are you going for Go meetup tonight?
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2016-02-19 11:48 <Alex> Lepak: miccheng: how you feeling about the purhcase?
2016-02-19 11:48 <Alex> *purchase
2016-02-19 11:48 <Alex> happy as?
2016-02-19 11:49 <Lepak> <miccheng> carpenter tools...
2016-02-19 11:49 <Lepak> <miccheng> Happy as carpenter tools… Pivots. :P
2016-02-19 11:49 <Lepak> <miccheng> For us its business as usual.
2016-02-19 11:50 <Lepak> <miccheng> Cos Neo SG was originally Pivotal Labs SG. So our practices are very much inherited from Pivotal Labs...
2016-02-19 11:54 <Alex> Ah, neat.
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2016-02-19 12:21 <ponyfleisch> sounds like the corporate version of a "it's complicated" relationship
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2016-02-19 13:15 <Alex> ponyfleisch: oi you bastard, reply to me
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2016-02-19 15:45 <GIANT_CRAB> Hi, is there anyone that I can contact with regards to the use of Hackerspace for meetups?
2016-02-19 15:45 <GIANT_CRAB> I've contacted Loong Jin but no response
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2016-02-19 16:57 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: hyperair is in Melbourne at the moment
2016-02-19 16:57 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: why don't you email contact@hackerspace.sg
2016-02-19 16:58 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: or post in the FB group and see if anyone's willing to host it
2016-02-19 16:58 <GIANT_CRAB> lol
2016-02-19 16:58 <GIANT_CRAB> thanks Valentine !
2016-02-19 17:05 <Valentine> Alex: looks like I might get a decent crowd on Monday hmm http://www.meetup.com/WordPress-Singapore/events/228481078/
2016-02-19 17:05 <RotiPrata> [ WordPress Singapore (Feb 2016) - WordPress Singapore (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
2016-02-19 17:05 <Valentine> Alex: hope the beer taps are working
2016-02-19 17:17 <GIANT_CRAB> Valentine see you there! =)
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2016-02-22 23:10 <hendry> need to hire graduate level python/go lang engineers in the company i work for
2016-02-22 23:34 <Valentine> hendry: good luck
2016-02-22 23:44 <Lepak> <robertsky> hendry: send me the jd. I may have one person that I can forward to. But he is not graduate level though, just damn good.
2016-02-22 23:44 <Lepak> <robertsky> i think.
2016-02-22 23:46 <hendry> robertsky: http://www.jewelpaymentech.com/blog/?p=80 http://sg.startupjobs.asia/sg/jobs/14877-full-stack-developer-it-jewel-paymentech-anywhere
2016-02-22 23:46 <RotiPrata> [ JOB OPENING: Full-Stack Developer | Jewel Paymentech Blog ] - www.jewelpaymentech.com
2016-02-22 23:46 <RotiPrata> [ Full-Stack Developer job at Jewel Paymentech Anywhere | Startup Jobs Asia ] - sg.startupjobs.asia
2016-02-22 23:53 <Lepak> <robertsky> hmm… but node/GO is fine?
2016-02-22 23:55 <Lepak> <robertsky> you need to fix your blog’s timestamp too.
2016-02-22 23:56 <hendry> 1;
2016-02-23 00:37 <Valentine> "… because we are going to disrupt it."
2016-02-23 00:51 <GIANT_CRAB> ^
2016-02-23 01:34 <Lepak> <robertsky> hendry: sent and friend says not interested.
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2016-02-23 08:00 <hendry> Alex: I'm going to be at HSG tonight about 6PM btw
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2016-02-24 02:12 <Lepak> <valentine> @vi: wanna try Actor with me? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11158016
2016-02-24 02:12 <RotiPrata> [ Or you can wait for Actor - we are working on porting Signal's crypto to our pla... | Hacker News ] - news.ycombinator.com
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2016-02-24 14:04 <hendry> Alex: wish this example was a little more fleshed out in PHP http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/sigv4-post-example.html
2016-02-24 14:04 <RotiPrata> [ Examples: Browser-Based Upload using HTTP POST (Using AWS Signature Version 4) - Amazon Simple Storage Service ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-02-24 14:16 <hendry> Alex: the download link is broken on http://aws.amazon.com/code/Amazon-S3/1618
2016-02-24 14:16 <RotiPrata> [ Asynchronous POST Uploads to Amazon S3 : Sample Code & Libraries : Amazon Web Services ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-02-24 15:16 <Alex> hendry: Thanks for the heads up - will raise the broken download link.
2016-02-24 15:16 <Alex> How much fleshing out do you think would be helpful? Copy/pastable code level?
2016-02-24 15:20 <hendry> Alex: yeah. I just want to feed in my aws key/secret and it has a policy and it signs it et al all in one PHP file
2016-02-24 15:23 <Alex> Gotcha. I wonder if there's a specific reason that we don't offer that (I don't know)
2016-02-24 15:23 <Alex> Have raised the DL link already btw
2016-02-24 15:30 <Alex> in KL. 37C outside, apparently.
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2016-02-24 15:31 <hendry> Alex: you're in KL? I am going there on Friday
2016-02-24 15:32 <Alex> Aye, I come back on Friday. Not avoiding you :)
2016-02-24 15:49 <hendry> I can't believe all these issues I am having with MOM
2016-02-24 15:50 <hendry> and to add salt to wounds I can't seem to take my helper with me because she has <6 months left of her passport
2016-02-24 15:50 <hendry> and the Indonesian passport renewal process seems unsurprisingly fucked
2016-02-24 15:51 <hendry> according to my helper, as her employer i need to go and interview at the Indonesian embassy to testify i don't abuse her. this must be a joke.
2016-02-24 15:51 <Alex> I saw - sorry to hear that, it's incredibly frustrating
2016-02-24 15:51 <Alex> I don't have a degree, so I think my burden of proof to MOM is lower?
2016-02-24 15:52 <hendry> oh really? why do they even care about the degree is what I am wondering
2016-02-24 15:52 <Alex> Chris H had similar requirements (full copy of his degree cert) - I was a bit worried.
2016-02-24 15:54 <hendry> fuck, I thought things were going to get better for foreigners and it definitely seems to have got worse.
2016-02-24 15:54 <hendry> lucky my university is somewhat responsive to requests. Most universites are pretty crap for transcript requests
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2016-02-24 19:50 <hendry> Valentine: wth? http://s.natalian.org/2016-02-24/1456314626_1054x1058.png
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2016-02-24 22:32 <Valentine> hendry: what about it?
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2016-02-25 10:51 <robertsky> hendry: i would say that there are a few bad apples who are trying to spoil it all for everyone else.
2016-02-25 10:52 <robertsky> my company was supposed to hire a FT as well. but there was a dumb requirement: age. my boss found out (through playing with the self-help verification setting) that he was one year over the limit.
2016-02-25 11:05 <hendry> sad
2016-02-25 11:05 <hendry> i know some excellent developers who don't have a degree
2016-02-25 12:52 <robertsky> or having relevant degree. >.<
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2016-02-26 06:49 <owen1> i am coming for 2 weeks to visit SG and looking to meet interesting companies in the healthcare business. where should i start? are there good sites i should look before my arrival?
2016-02-26 07:49 <Valentine> owen1: send an email to the JFDI mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openfrog
2016-02-26 07:49 <RotiPrata> [ Google Groups ] - groups.google.com
2016-02-26 07:49 <owen1> Valentine: thank you!
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2016-02-27 01:53 <owen1> Valentine: very cool forum
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2016-02-27 03:20 <Valentine> hendry: Hong Phuc needs a place to stay in March. do you have a spare room or something? I think she's ok with covering expenses
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2016-02-28 09:35 <owen1> i am thinking of a theme for an upcoming talk. do people watch adventure time in singapore? what other tv shows and/or cartoons people are familiar with?
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2016-02-28 09:47 <r0bby> owen1: careful...that could violate copyright laws and qualify as a public exhibition
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2016-02-28 11:58 <hendry> ACTION reads https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/compute/using-amazon-api-gateway-as-a-proxy-for-dynamodb/
2016-02-28 11:58 <RotiPrata> [ Using Amazon API Gateway as a proxy for DynamoDB | AWS Compute Blog ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-02-28 11:58 <hendry> why is authentication so hard here http://docs.aws.amazon.com/apigateway/latest/developerguide/permissions.html sheeesh
2016-02-28 11:58 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon API Gateway Access Permissions - Amazon API Gateway ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-02-28 12:05 <owen1> r0bby: thanks for the insight. where can i find the legal aspects of doing it? is it something specific to singapore or for any tv show?
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2016-02-28 12:23 <r0bby> I'm not sure what Singapore laws are like
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2016-02-28 12:26 <owen1> i do it in most of my talks. put some images in a few slides that are part of a theme. rick and morty was a recent one.
2016-02-28 12:26 <owen1> so far i got no issues
2016-02-28 12:27 <owen1> it's not a video and not in every slide so i think it's harmless. i am just curious what cartoons are popular in SG
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2016-02-29 10:45 <hendry> Alex: trying the ML tutorial and so far I understand very little http://s.natalian.org/2016-02-29/1456713889_1918x1058.png
2016-02-29 10:45 <hendry> Alex: have you tried it?
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2016-02-29 10:53 <Alex> Yup
2016-02-29 11:00 <hendry> Alex: ummm.... be cool if there was a video tutorial of this
2016-02-29 11:00 <hendry> i was expecting some UI to show some predictions. IIUC i need to look at another CSV? http://s.natalian.org/2016-02-29/1456714732_1918x1058.png
2016-02-29 11:01 <Alex> You can view the model and the certainty of predictions graphically
2016-02-29 11:01 <Alex> Then you can fetch predictions either in batch or real time (using an API)
2016-02-29 11:03 <hendry> using that sample dataset with bank staff or something
2016-02-29 11:03 <Alex> Yep, so you can have a visual evaluation of the model's accuracy based on that
2016-02-29 11:04 <hendry> i was expecting to put in an age & get a prediction on occupation... i can't seem to do that
2016-02-29 11:04 <hendry> what kindof knowledge am I supposed to gleam from the sample set + ML?
2016-02-29 11:04 <Alex> You can't do that through the UI, no - although you could make similar-ish predictions through the API
2016-02-29 11:04 <Alex> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-machine-learning-make-data-driven-decisions-at-scale/
2016-02-29 11:04 <Alex> this does cover it off
2016-02-29 11:04 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon Machine Learning – Make Data-Driven Decisions at Scale | AWS Official Blog ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-02-29 11:05 <hendry> Alex:  this is the UI right? http://s.natalian.org/2016-02-29/1456715108_1918x1058.png
2016-02-29 11:05 <Alex> Oh, you can do that now? Neat! You couldn't when I last used it :)
2016-02-29 11:06 <Alex> (At that time you could only do real time via the API)
2016-02-29 11:06 <Alex> But in this case you can't enter one and get a prediction for the other
2016-02-29 11:06 <Alex> because the target name here (of this model) is y
2016-02-29 11:07 <hendry> ok, https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-machine-learning-make-data-driven-decisions-at-scale/ is good. Didn't spot that Use datasource to... option
2016-02-29 11:07 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon Machine Learning – Make Data-Driven Decisions at Scale | AWS Official Blog ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-02-29 11:08 <Alex> The 'target attribute name' in the schema I think is what the model is built to try to make predictions on
2016-02-29 11:08 <Alex> and I think in this example it's whether or not something has been bought
2016-02-29 11:09 <hendry> at the end of https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-machine-learning-make-data-driven-decisions-at-scale/ I still don't quite understand what he predicted
2016-02-29 11:09 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon Machine Learning – Make Data-Driven Decisions at Scale | AWS Official Blog ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-02-29 11:10 <hendry> """This means that the ML model type was Binary classification, the predicted score was 0.10312237, and based on the prediction threshold associated with the model when the code was run, the predicted response was ‘0’."""
2016-02-29 11:10 <hendry> WTH?
2016-02-29 11:10 <Alex> Machine Learning as a service doesn't preclude the need to understand some basic stats.
2016-02-29 11:10 <Alex> Anyway, I'm reasonably certain that 'y' in this case is whether the user purchased something or not.
2016-02-29 11:10 <Alex> "In order to select the best customers (those most likely to make a purchase), I clicked on Adjust Score Threshold and bumped up the cut-off value until 5% of the records were expected to pass by predicting a value of “1” for y"
2016-02-29 11:10 <Alex> so yeah, seems like it
2016-02-29 11:11 <hendry> I was hoping AWS ML would be more like a spam classifier. I.e. I can through full text at it. IIUC it requires data in a schema-ed CSV format. Is that right?
2016-02-29 11:11 <Alex> "The model that we will build will answer the question “Will the customer subscribe to my new product?”"
2016-02-29 11:11 <hendry> ok, thanks
2016-02-29 11:11 <Alex> yep, you can do that
2016-02-29 11:12 <hendry> but why didn't the blog end by answering his question?? sheessh
2016-02-29 11:13 <hendry> Alex: you can? where does it say that it can take free text? Has anyone been dumb enough to classify their email ham/spam with AWS ML?
2016-02-29 11:14 <Alex> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/machine-learning/latest/dg/machine-learning-problems-in-amazon-machine-learning.html -> think you'd put the text in with an attribute type of 'text'
2016-02-29 11:14 <RotiPrata> [ Solving Business Problems with Amazon Machine Learning - Amazon Machine Learning ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-02-29 11:15 <Alex> http://alexjs.im/tmp/ml-text.png
2016-02-29 11:15 <hendry> ooh i like this slide http://docs.aws.amazon.com/machine-learning/latest/dg/when-to-use-machine-learning.html
2016-02-29 11:15 <RotiPrata> [ When to Use Machine Learning - Amazon Machine Learning ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-02-29 11:16 <hendry> Alex: not looking forward to putting free form text in a csv...
2016-02-29 11:19 <hendry> Need more tutorials
2016-02-29 11:20 <hendry> the pricing looks a bit intense http://s.natalian.org/2016-02-29/1456714732_1918x1058.png
2016-02-29 11:47 <hendry> Alex: or binary into CSV? is that even possible http://alexjs.im/tmp/ml-text.png
2016-02-29 11:51 <Alex> Binary means Y/N, not binary encoding
2016-02-29 11:52 <hendry> Alex: oh, sorry ... he he he
2016-02-29 11:52 <Alex> So in your case it'd be 'is this email spam'
2016-02-29 11:53 <Alex> would be a binary decision based on a text input
2016-02-29 11:53 <Alex> and you could have a category in there too (e.g. country) I think
2016-02-29 11:54 <hendry> for payments location is kinda important. i guess that goes in a seperate rule, to calculate distance between two points.
2016-02-29 11:54 <hendry> e.g. you can't physcially make payment in Singapore and US within minutes of each other
2016-02-29 11:54 <hendry> that's not  AI I guess
2016-02-29 13:54 <hendry> Alex: I could give a talk about integrating AWS SES at http://www.meetup.com/AWS-SG/events/228887747/
2016-02-29 13:54 <RotiPrata> [ AWSUG March Meetup - AWS User Group Singapore (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
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2016-02-29 15:58 <hendry> new pi 3 looks awesome http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/meet-the-new-raspberry-pi-3/
2016-02-29 15:58 <RotiPrata> [ The new Raspberry Pi 3 — With Wi-Fi and Bluetooth | Make: ] - makezine.com
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2016-03-01 17:24 <ntropy> hey, is it ok to turn up for todays event a bit early?
2016-03-01 17:54 <robertsky> you can interact with the members there i suppose... the event won't start early.
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2016-03-02 10:52 <icedwater> hyperair: are you going to hsg today?
2016-03-02 11:01 <robertsky> icewater: hyperair will be around in the evening as usual
2016-03-02 11:02 <robertsky> hendry: fyi: frame.dabase.com not showing irc chat history.
2016-03-02 11:06 <hendry> robertsky: thanks
2016-03-02 11:07 <hendry> wish i documented how it works better
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2016-03-02 14:47 <hyperair> test
2016-03-02 14:52 <Alex> Lepak: miccheng: what's the best email address to get you on?
2016-03-02 14:53 <Alex> notthetup: same question
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2016-03-03 10:08 <hendry> hopefully this isn't a stupid security question http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/116332/csrf-in-api-calls-from-javascript-on-the-browser
2016-03-03 10:08 <RotiPrata> [ CSRF in API calls from Javascript on the browser - Information Security Stack Exchange ] - security.stackexchange.com
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2016-03-03 22:05 <gaqzi> hendry: CSRF tokens are to mitigate CSRF attacks. CORS have nothing at all to do with that.
2016-03-03 22:07 <gaqzi> hendry: example: I could setup my site to always submit a form in an iframe to *your* site, if you were logged in to your site I could potentially do some really bad stuff. By having CSRF validation I would still have to somehow gain more access to control your browser than merely submitting a form in the background
2016-03-03 22:08 <gaqzi> hendry: this website explains how it works pretty well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery#Example_and_characteristics
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2016-03-03 23:15 <hendry> "only ajax calls can set custom headers, and those are domain-restricted"
2016-03-03 23:15 <hendry> i don't like it when pages change because of a token
2016-03-03 23:16 <hendry> so I guess I want move towards an ajax driven application for form processing
2016-03-03 23:43 <gaqzi> I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you, because I sounds like you don't like dynamic pages? :P
2016-03-03 23:43 <gaqzi> because it*
2016-03-03 23:51 <hendry> i don't like dynamic pages
2016-03-03 23:52 <hendry> but tbh I am pretty new to AJAX driven apps
2016-03-03 23:53 <hendry> the status quo seems to be ReactJS which is pretty damn scary
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2016-03-04 09:38 <hendry> TODO try figure out what is needed to back a ReactJS backend
2016-03-04 09:39 <hendry> TODO try figure out what is needed to create a ReactJS backend
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2016-03-04 09:54 <hendry> gaqzi: is this a good answer? http://security.stackexchange.com/a/116462/9320
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2016-03-04 23:57 <gaqzi> hendry: as far as I know that should work :)
2016-03-04 23:58 <gaqzi> hendry: I twitch over using a hard coded value, but I can come up with no reason right no why it would be bad. especially not since you're setting it on a header. So I think it's good!
2016-03-05 00:04 <gaqzi> right now*
2016-03-05 00:04 <gaqzi> urgh, I've been spelling terrible in here for the last while :P
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2016-03-05 15:17 <hendry> gaqzi: i've accepted my own answer
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2016-03-06 15:11 <ponyfleisch> hyperair: i need to recompile an existing dpkg package with a slightly newer version of the source. is there an idiots guide for that so i don't have to actually learn and understand dpkg?
2016-03-06 15:12 <ponyfleisch> oh wait, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage is short and possibly enough
2016-03-06 15:12 <RotiPrata> [ SourcePackage - Debian Wiki ] - wiki.debian.org
2016-03-06 15:13 <hyperair> well, 1. unpack tarball, 2. dump debian/ directory into it, 3. add new debian/changelog entry, 4. fakeroot debian/rules binary
2016-03-06 15:13 <hyperair> or dpkg-buildpackage -S
2016-03-06 15:13 <hyperair> the latter generates a source package you can upload to a PPA for building
2016-03-06 15:30 <ponyfleisch> cool, that almost works
2016-03-06 15:37 <ponyfleisch> it's not a pretty format, dpkg, i gather?
2016-03-06 15:45 <hyperair> it's okay
2016-03-06 15:48 <ponyfleisch> well, it's building after i kicked out some random patches
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2016-03-06 16:29 <hyperair> alright
2016-03-06 16:31 <Alex> It's not a pretty format.
2016-03-06 16:31 <Alex> Neither is RPM though
2016-03-06 16:32 <hyperair> there aren't a whole lot of pretty packaging formats though
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2016-03-06 16:34 <Alex> Yeah, no argument there :)
2016-03-06 16:34 <hyperair> you should look at how python does dependency resolution
2016-03-06 16:35 <Alex> or just use SMGL
2016-03-06 16:35 <Alex> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage)
2016-03-06 16:35 <hyperair> it goes by last declared dependency wins
2016-03-06 16:35 <RotiPrata> KeyError: u'extract' (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sopel/modules/wikipedia.py", line 87, in mw_snippet)
2016-03-06 16:35 <hyperair> so if A depends on B<x.y.z and C, and C depends on B (with no version), it just installs the latest version of B
2016-03-06 16:35 <hyperair> then fails miserably and barfs
2016-03-06 16:36 <Alex> Better than node's, right?
2016-03-06 16:36 <hyperair> um how does node do it?
2016-03-06 16:36 <hyperair> i'm almost scared to hear
2016-03-06 16:36 <Alex> In an npm context, which is more like... If A depends on B, B is almost certainly unavailable because the mirrors are fucked, so everything barfs
2016-03-06 16:36 <Alex> ;)
2016-03-06 16:37 <hyperair> ACTION lols
2016-03-06 16:51 <ponyfleisch> erm
2016-03-06 16:52 <ponyfleisch> npm in my experience is the most "it just works" package manager ever.
2016-03-06 16:52 <hyperair> lol
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2016-03-06 19:35 <hendry> You guys should take a look at Arch packages. Sanest of the bunch.
2016-03-06 19:36 <hendry> one of the main reasons I left Debian is because of the insane packaging
2016-03-06 19:36 <hendry> debhelper was the best and that was pretty nutty
2016-03-06 19:37 <hendry> i was somewhat pleasantly surprised by python's virtualenv which seems to kinda work unlike npm which is like nuke and start again to be safe
2016-03-06 20:16 <Alex> all, Paul2 is a UK friend of mine who is possibly coming over SG way. Make it seem like we're all social and stuff.
2016-03-06 20:16 <Alex> especially ponyfleisch
2016-03-06 20:38 <Paul2> hmmm
2016-03-06 20:56 <Paul2> well anyway hi, it looks likely that Ill be working in Singapore for 6 months so I might come along a few times
2016-03-06 21:12 <hyperair> archlinux's format is not bad, but the packaging quality in AUR is shit
2016-03-06 21:13 <hyperair> also archlinux iirc didn't have automatic shared lib dependency generation
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2016-03-07 16:03 <ponyfleisch> Alex: saywhat, stranger?
2016-03-07 16:06 <Alex> ponyfleisch: stfu I'm social.
2016-03-07 17:00 <ponyfleisch> for all i know you moved to timbuktu
2016-03-07 17:00 <ponyfleisch> could've moved to timbuktu i mean :)
2016-03-07 17:01 <ponyfleisch> wait, me english much confuse
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2016-03-08 10:59 <rolandturner> foo
2016-03-08 10:59 <Alex> bar
2016-03-08 10:59 <Lepak> <miccheng> baz
2016-03-08 10:59 <rolandturner> Just checking the plumbing :-)
2016-03-08 11:01 <Alex> baq
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2016-03-09 18:17 <ruiwen> \o anyone familiar with jenkins? =)
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2016-03-09 21:04 <gaqzi> ruiwen: enough to avoid it
2016-03-09 21:05 <gaqzi> ruiwen: if you're exploring CI I really suggest looking at http://go.cd/ instead, or something like circleci.com or snap-ci.com for running remotely.
2016-03-09 21:05 <RotiPrata> [ Continuous Delivery Software | Continuous Integration | Go CD ] - go.cd
2016-03-09 21:06 <gaqzi> that would by my unsolicited advice :P
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2016-03-09 21:57 <Rainbow> Valentine: http://www.boredpanda.com/10-things-every-foodie-can-relate-to-lingvistov/
2016-03-09 21:57 <RotiPrata> [ 10 Things Every Foodie Can Relate To | Bored Panda ] - www.boredpanda.com
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2016-03-10 08:49 <icedwater> gaqzi: have you played with gitlab-ci? :P
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2016-03-10 08:51 <icedwater> enwp.org/Source_Mage
2016-03-10 08:52 <icedwater> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage
2016-03-10 08:52 <RotiPrata> [WIKIPEDIA] Source Mage | "Source Mage is a Linux distribution. As a package is being installed, its source code is automatically downloaded, compiled, and installed. Source Mage is descended from Sorcerer...."
2016-03-10 08:52 <icedwater> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage)
2016-03-10 08:52 <RotiPrata> KeyError: u'extract' (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sopel/modules/wikipedia.py", line 87, in mw_snippet)
2016-03-10 08:52 <icedwater> Hmm.
2016-03-10 08:54 <icedwater> Hmm is it normal that https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=$DOMAIN picks up an entirely different IPv6 address that my interface doesn't seem to have?
2016-03-10 08:54 <RotiPrata> [ SSL Server Test (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) ] - www.ssllabs.com
2016-03-10 11:07 <hendry> Alex: had a question for you but I forgot it. brilliant.
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2016-03-10 14:12 <ntropy> icedwater: are you sure your interface doesn't have that ipv6 address?  what do you see when you ping6 / traceroute6 the address from that server?
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2016-03-10 15:02 <rolandturner> (looking at the plumbing 2)
2016-03-10 15:02 <rolandturner> foo
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2016-03-10 16:36 <Alex> hendry: whelp, feel free to ask if you need anything
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2016-03-10 16:49 <hendry> Alex: are you legal?
2016-03-10 16:55 <Alex> of legal age for whoopsie? Isn't homosexuality illegal here?
2016-03-10 16:55 <Alex> but I'm flattered, thank you.
2016-03-10 17:27 <icedwater> ntropy: It's a different ipv6 address from what I saw on ifconfig.
2016-03-10 17:41 <Lepak> <hyperair> ifconfig is deprecated and doesn't show the full thing
2016-03-10 17:46 <Alex> ip addr list is your friend
2016-03-10 17:55 <hendry> `ip` makes ifconfig look user friendly
2016-03-10 17:55 <hendry> whoever came up with it is totally insane
2016-03-10 18:02 <ponyflei1ch> lol
2016-03-10 18:02 <ponyflei1ch> because ifconfig makes so much more sense
2016-03-10 18:06 <Lepak> <hyperair> I quite like the interface for ip route though
2016-03-10 18:09 <hendry> hyperair: how is it better than route?
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2016-03-10 18:51 <Alex> hendry: I agree, I find it much harder to read - but I'm accustomed to ifconfig. It's probably easier than ifconfig for newer people
2016-03-10 19:17 <Lepak> <hyperair> @hendry I fine ip route easier to read. The fact that it spits out lines that can be directly fed to its "route del" and "route change" commands is also very nice
2016-03-10 19:18 <Lepak> <hyperair> Also, "ip route get $ipaddr" of wonderful for debugging routes
2016-03-10 19:18 <Lepak> <hyperair> Argh autocorrect
2016-03-10 19:18 <Lepak> <hyperair> I hate phone keyboards.
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2016-03-10 20:31 <ntropy> icedwater: ENOTENOUGHINFO :)
2016-03-10 20:32 <ntropy> Lepak: ifconfig is deprecated?  since when and by who?
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2016-03-10 23:50 <icedwater> hyperair: ntropy: in any case both ip addr list and ifconfig give the same address which didn't agree with the IPv6 found by the Qualys SSL checker. Not that it matters, I didn't configure Apache to serve over IPv6...
2016-03-10 23:50 <icedwater> It found the correct IPv4 address though.
2016-03-10 23:51 <icedwater> Also, ping Alex on the above notes. ^^
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2016-03-11 01:44 <hyperair> icedwater: i wonder if it's doing some fancy NAT-ing on ipv6
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2016-03-11 09:37 <Alex> I think I became accustomed to the 'find route for address' commands of Solaris actually, and missed it when back on Linux, so that's a good point
2016-03-11 09:37 <Alex> but anyway I wouldn't expect ifconfig and ip addr list to give /different/ addresses, that'd be weird
2016-03-11 09:54 <ntropy> icedwater: maybe the site you're testing is behind a cdn?  it would help if you shared the qualys scan report
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2016-03-11 10:15 <icedwater> Alex: true.
2016-03-11 10:15 <icedwater> Try this? https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=iris.i2r.a-star.edu.sg
2016-03-11 10:15 <RotiPrata> [ SSL Server Test: iris.i2r.a-star.edu.sg (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) ] - www.ssllabs.com
2016-03-11 10:18 <icedwater> The ifconfig result shows fe08::250:... not the 2402:8f00: thing, that's what puzzled me.
2016-03-11 10:20 <Alex> but it does show 202.[...]?
2016-03-11 10:21 <Alex> and is the v6 address definitely going to the same box that you're running ip addr list on?
2016-03-11 10:21 <Alex> that's just DNS -- so you could set it to anything you want.
2016-03-11 10:21 <icedwater> Yup, the IPv4 address is correct. I'm not sure about the latter. dig -6 iris... returns a blank...
2016-03-11 10:22 <Alex> you'd want -t AAAA rather than -6
2016-03-11 10:22 <Alex> because -6 means 'query the dns server over IPv6'
2016-03-11 10:22 <Alex> anyway, DNS and the actual interface on that box are decoupled
2016-03-11 10:23 <Alex> so it might just be your DNS is out of date, for instance.
2016-03-11 10:24 <icedwater> Ah, OK
2016-03-11 10:24 <icedwater> That's what I get for jumping to conclusions on the man page...
2016-03-11 10:38 <icedwater> Didn't help either, as it happens...
2016-03-11 10:38 <icedwater> But it's not an issue at all, just puzzled me for a while.
2016-03-11 10:39 <ntropy> icedwater: are you sure the IPv6 address on your server starts with fe08 and not fe80?
2016-03-11 10:39 <Alex> ah, good spot
2016-03-11 10:47 <ntropy> i think there should be a public ipv6 address as well though, right?
2016-03-11 10:48 <ntropy> icedwater: what does ifconfig <interface> | grep inet6 say?
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2016-03-11 11:49 <icedwater> ntropy: you're probably right, but as I said, it wasn't that big of an issue. I only noticed it because the qualys checker threw me off with a completely different IPv6 address.
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2016-03-11 11:56 <icedwater> The same user agent is not giving that stylesheet command on the other tab....
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2016-03-11 15:47 <hendry> does https://www.pie.co/ work for you guys?
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2016-03-11 19:43 <kushal> Is there any event/talk in the hackerspace next week?
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2016-03-11 20:14 <downey> kushal: I know my team is presenting at the awesome talks next week
2016-03-11 20:14 <downey> On OpenMRS
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2016-03-11 20:52 <kushal> downey, date/time?
2016-03-11 20:53 <downey> kushal: From https://www.facebook.com/events/195869754115004/ looks like 8pm on Wednesday ... but check your time zone as I'm not in SG right now and Facebook might be misleading me :-)
2016-03-11 20:53 <RotiPrata> [ Lesser-known China, and solving healthcare problems with open technology. HackerspaceSG Awesome Talks, March 2016 | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
2016-03-11 20:54 <kushal> downey, Thanks :)
2016-03-11 20:55 <kushal> downey, I am coming down on Monday, so I will have enough time to keep visiting the space for next few days :)
2016-03-11 20:57 <downey> kushal: great, perhaps see you on wednesday!
2016-03-11 21:08 <hendry> Alex: if you are collecting HTTP style logs... maybe the headers too, what would be a good AWS suite to handle a large collection of those?
2016-03-11 21:08 <hendry> Alex: i.e. building a Google Analytics
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2016-03-11 23:03 <hyperair> Valentine: oi the irc-slack bridge is broken
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2016-03-11 23:16 <Lepak> <valentine> foo
2016-03-11 23:16 <Valentine> ok all it took was restarting the docker container hah
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2016-03-11 23:42 <hyperair> nice
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2016-03-12 02:27 <downey> Valentine: what are you using for a bridge?
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2016-03-12 05:12 <Valentine> downey: https://hub.docker.com/r/valentine/slackirc-env/ teehee
2016-03-12 05:26 <downey> Valentine: very nice
2016-03-12 05:29 <Valentine> downey: well I would write my own except I haven't quite figured out this concurrency thing
2016-03-12 05:29 <Valentine> sigh
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2016-03-14 11:18 <hendry> Alex: hustle
2016-03-14 11:42 <Alex> hendry: Morning!
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2016-03-14 18:36 <ponyfleisch> hrmm
2016-03-14 18:36 <ponyfleisch> aws confuses me
2016-03-14 18:36 <ponyfleisch> alex for the help
2016-03-14 18:36 <ponyfleisch> i have: 1 ec2 instance and 1 rds instance. access between these two works (this has been set up forever ago)
2016-03-14 18:37 <ponyfleisch> set up one new ec2 and one new rds
2016-03-14 18:37 <ponyfleisch> access doesn't work
2016-03-14 18:37 <ponyfleisch> also, new ec2 can't reach the old rds
2016-03-14 18:37 <ponyfleisch> and old ec2 can't reach new rds
2016-03-14 18:38 <ponyfleisch> ec2 security group allows everything outbound
2016-03-14 18:38 <ponyfleisch> rds are both "publicly accessible"
2016-03-14 18:39 <ponyfleisch> oh. stupid.
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2016-03-15 09:29 <Alex> ponyfleisch: fixed it?
2016-03-15 09:55 <ponyfleisch> yeah
2016-03-15 09:55 <ponyfleisch> it's a bit confusing that RDS have security groups, yet the security groups link in the RDS console leads to nowhere ;)
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2016-03-15 13:01 <Alex> ponyfleisch: leads to nowhere? how so?
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2016-03-15 13:27 <Marlinski> !zin è
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2016-03-15 14:55 <ponyfleisch> Alex: IIRC it said something about VPC and stuff.
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> ah
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> i should've read the whole text.
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> --
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> Your account does not support the EC2-Classic Platform in this region. DB Security Groups are only needed when the EC2-Classic Platform is supported. Instead, use VPC Security Groups to control access to your DB Instances. Go to the EC2 Console to view and manage your VPC Security Groups. For more information, see AWS Documentation on Supported Platforms and Using RDS in VPC.
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> --
2016-03-15 14:56 <ponyfleisch> i clicked it away after the first 2 sentences :)
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2016-03-15 19:10 <kushal> Just wondering if I come down tonight who all will be there?
2016-03-15 19:10 <kushal> icedwater, hyperair Valentine ?
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2016-03-16 13:27 <hendry> Alex: don't quite understand how to forward an email using SES recieve... worst UI eva http://s.natalian.org/2016-03-16/1458105981_1918x1058.png
2016-03-16 14:22 <Alex> hendry: There isn't a straight forward option in SES I think -- closest would be log to S3 or WorkMail
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2016-03-16 14:48 <hendry> FOSSASIA told me to use an App to read the schedule... WTH https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/709994698300121090
2016-03-16 14:48 <RotiPrata> [ Kai Hendry on Twitter: "Installing an app is pretty much the opposite of opensource. Use the open Web platform FFS. :/ https://t.co/NnEWoUhPki" ] - twitter.com
2016-03-16 14:49 <hendry> Alex: crazy there isn't a straight forward option... guess that might have done that on purpose maybe?
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2016-03-16 16:28 <ponyfleisch> Alex: aws question:
2016-03-16 16:28 <ponyfleisch> i have a cf distribution with 2 s3 origins
2016-03-16 16:29 <ponyfleisch> one of those has an origin path
2016-03-16 16:29 <ponyfleisch> one behaviour is associated with the first origin, the other one with the second one (the one with the path)
2016-03-16 16:30 <ponyfleisch> it has a path pattern "/new/*"
2016-03-16 16:30 <ponyfleisch> i can access the s3 origin, including the path specified in the origin path
2016-03-16 16:31 <ponyfleisch> but when i try to access it via cf i get AccessDenied
2016-03-16 16:35 <ponyfleisch> oh motherfuck
2016-03-16 16:37 <ponyfleisch> for some reason, i can only access stuff inside the s3 container when i'm using my own fqd
2016-03-16 16:37 <ponyfleisch> fqdn
2016-03-16 16:37 <ponyfleisch> not the blah.s3.amazonaws.com name
2016-03-16 16:38 <ponyfleisch> any possibility the CORS config is fucking with me? makes no sense.
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2016-03-16 19:11 <icedwater> hendry: if you could see this, you'd notice that there's already a schedule on http://2016.fossasia.org/schedule
2016-03-16 19:11 <RotiPrata> [ FOSSASIA 2016 Schedule ] - 2016.fossasia.org
2016-03-16 19:12 <icedwater> So ... I don't really know what you're complaining about. As usual.
2016-03-16 19:12 <icedwater> And I don't know why I still bother to respond :P
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2016-03-17 02:03 <lynxis> hi
2016-03-17 02:05 <lynxis> I would like to visit your space. Is it open atm?
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2016-03-17 05:00 <Valentine> lynxis: it was 2am. there should be people around at perhaps 11am or later
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2016-03-17 07:31 <lynxis> Valentine: thanks.
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2016-03-17 09:39 <prozhen> Hey everyone, would it be ok if me and a friend come by around 12 to sit down and do some work for a few hours? We are not members - yet. And it has been three years since last time I came by your place, so it would be cool to see how it has evolved. My primary goal is to sit down and get some work done in a good environment
2016-03-17 09:44 <prozhen> (and possibly sell in your place to my friend who lives in SG)
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2016-03-17 10:29 <Sklivvz> hello!
2016-03-17 11:26 <icedwater> prozhen: I'm not there personally, but if there are members it should be OK.
2016-03-17 11:26 <icedwater> prozhen: I wonder who's going to let you in, though.
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2016-03-17 17:08 <Sklivvz> Hello from Europe!
2016-03-17 17:12 <Sklivvz> A small intro: I am a core developer at Stack Overflow and sometimes I participate to IT conferences as a tech speaker
2016-03-17 17:13 <Sklivvz> I have recently been invited to a KL conference and I am looking for other places to visit at the same time to make the trip worth it
2016-03-17 17:13 <Sklivvz> Someone suggested I ping this group
2016-03-17 17:14 <Sklivvz> Would the SG hackerspace be interested? Do you know of other groups/meetups/conferences that might be?
2016-03-17 17:15 <Sklivvz> The conference is this one: http://www.mosc.my/
2016-03-17 17:15 <RotiPrata> [ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2016 MOSC MY ] - www.mosc.my
2016-03-17 17:36 <Alex> Hey Sklivvz.
2016-03-17 17:36 <Alex> well, we're SG based, so obviously we'd suggest you visit here as well as MY ;-)
2016-03-17 17:37 <Sklivvz> heh
2016-03-17 17:37 <Sklivvz> of course.
2016-03-17 17:37 <Alex> Not sure what else is going on in May, but yeah, plenty of stuff in the scene around here, especially in places like TH, PH, and ID.
2016-03-17 17:37 <Alex> (Outside of SG)
2016-03-17 17:37 <Sklivvz> all in all i'd like to make it a week
2016-03-17 17:38 <Alex> The FB group might be another good place to poll as it's a bit more asynch than IRC
2016-03-17 17:38 <Sklivvz> so i can go to my boss and say "i need a flight to SG because i've tonnnnns to do there"
2016-03-17 17:38 <Sklivvz> (I won't say that durian eating is part of it)
2016-03-17 17:39 <Sklivvz> I've asked there as well ;-)
2016-03-17 17:39 <Alex> Ah, yes, you have. Sorry.
2016-03-17 18:24 <marcog> anyone involved in FOSSASIA knows is there will be internet available during the event for the presentaitons?
2016-03-17 18:58 <journeymangeek> Sklivvz: Hi!
2016-03-17 18:58 <journeymangeek> (I'm the one who suggested he ping the hackerspace ;p)
2016-03-17 19:00 <Sklivvz> yeah
2016-03-17 19:01 <Sklivvz> thanks :-)
2016-03-17 19:12 <owen> marcog: you should ask it on #conference on slack
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2016-03-17 19:18 <owen> marcog: "not for attendees. There is internet in some rooms for the speakers"
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2016-03-17 21:19 <ntropy> whoa, no internet for attendees at fossasia, that seems so 90s they must be doing it on purpose
2016-03-17 21:48 <owen> ntropy: (: why on purpose?
2016-03-17 21:50 <ntropy> i guess all im saying is - a technical conference w/o wifi doesn't fit my reality tunnel
2016-03-17 21:54 <ntropy> the purpose could be that a) the science centre doesn't have the skills / equipment to run a decent network b) they think everyone has 4g c) they think people will pay more attention to the presentations if they're not distracted by reddit or hackernews
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2016-03-17 23:22 <marcog> owen: you're right I'll use slack next time, sorry forgot about it and thanks!
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2016-03-17 23:23 <marcog> ntropy: providing internet access for all FOSSASIA attendees does not seem like an easy task
2016-03-17 23:25 <marcog> ntropy: plus if it's not done properly most of the time is useless, most of the times attendees internet at the conferences suck
2016-03-17 23:30 <marcog> ~.
2016-03-17 23:37 <ntropy> not an easy task for sure, but it has been done
2016-03-17 23:38 <ntropy> i've enjoyed great wifi at hacker camps in europe with > 3k attendees (open air makes it somewhat easier i suppose)
2016-03-17 23:40 <ntropy> at ccc congress there are over 10k attendees and wifi works too
2016-03-17 23:41 <ntropy> the infrastructure review is always worth a watch https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7555-32c3_infrastructure_review
2016-03-17 23:41 <RotiPrata> [ C3TV - 32C3 Infrastructure Review ] - media.ccc.de
2016-03-17 23:41 <ntropy> i've heard pycon manage good wifi too, look forward to it in june
2016-03-17 23:55 <marcog> I'm sure ccc congress has much more support plus fees are more expensive, I guess that help. I overall I personally think everyone at fossasia does a great job.
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2016-03-18 15:19 <hendry> hyperair: you around FOSSASIA? need some help resetting the C7 AGAIN
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2016-03-18 15:35 <hyperair> hendry: i'll be around tomorrow
2016-03-18 15:35 <hyperair> what have you done to it this time?
2016-03-18 15:36 <Rainbow> hendry: are you legal yet?
2016-03-18 15:37 <hyperair> no, he's still a child.
2016-03-18 15:39 <Rainbow> :D
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2016-03-18 16:16 <icedwater> Sklivvvz: hi, did you come over to FOSSASIA? :P
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2016-03-18 18:31 <Sklivvvz> btw where is the hackerspace IRL?
2016-03-18 22:02 <journeymangeek> Sklivvz: https://hackerspace.sg/location/
2016-03-18 22:02 <RotiPrata> [ HackerspaceSG: the Singapore tech scene's community centre ] - hackerspace.sg
2016-03-18 22:04 <journeymangeek> Pretty interesting area, though I've only popped by once. I've had to track down spare parts for my dryer around there ;p
2016-03-18 22:15 <icedwater> journeymangeek: lol
2016-03-18 22:16 <icedwater> ntropy: let's see if it works tomorrow.
2016-03-18 22:16 <icedwater> Although I've probably just jinxed it ;)
2016-03-18 22:17 <icedwater> Valentine: is there still a reason to head to Chinatown?
2016-03-18 22:19 <icedwater> Hehehe oh well
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2016-03-20 21:22 <hendry> Alex: why is my CORS failing here? http://s.natalian.org/2016-03-20/cors.png On this resource: http://s.natalian.org/2016-03-20/rtest.json
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2016-03-20 23:10 <icedwater> eMBee: ping
2016-03-20 23:10 <icedwater> aww ... slow response :p
2016-03-20 23:12 <icedwater> Anyone else interested in a coreboot meetup at 7.30 on Tuesday in the hackerspace?
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2016-03-21 01:28 <eMBee> icedwater: i'll be sitting in an airplane somewhere over malaysia then
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2016-03-21 04:03 <lynxis> I've lost my notebook. a real notebook made out of paper, black, size around DIN A6. should lie next to the big table in the middle on the door side.
2016-03-21 04:04 <lynxis> Can somebody safe it please?
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2016-03-21 08:58 <Alex> hendry: Possibly due to the Allowed Headers?
2016-03-21 08:58 <Alex> Try with *, then work backwards from there.
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2016-03-21 09:23 <hendry> Alex: I am using * no?
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2016-03-21 10:32 <icedwater> Heh
2016-03-21 10:40 <icedwater> eMBee: heh, OK.
2016-03-21 10:40 <icedwater> lynxis: hope you get it back soon.
2016-03-21 10:46 <Alex> in your screenshot, no.
2016-03-21 10:54 <hendry> Alex: oh, so AllowedHeaders tag should be * ?
2016-03-21 10:58 <Alex> I'd try with that nad then work backwards. CORS is evil (wel, good but frustrating)
2016-03-21 10:58 <Alex> brb sorry, mtg
2016-03-21 11:26 <hendry> getting really micro performance. meh
2016-03-21 11:27 <Alex> on a t1.micro? :) try t2, t1 is a much older class
2016-03-21 13:38 <hendry> Alex: fixed the CORS issue on S3
2016-03-21 13:38 <hendry> Alex: do I really need two security groups? http://s.natalian.org/2016-03-21/1458538694_1918x1058.png
2016-03-21 13:45 <hendry> ~$ aws ec2 run-instances --image-id ami-94aa68f7 --count 1 --instance-type t2.micro --key-name hendry --security-groups default
2016-03-21 13:45 <hendry> A client error (VPCResourceNotSpecified) occurred when calling the RunInstances operation: The specified instance type can only be used in a VPC. A subnet ID o
2016-03-21 13:45 <hendry> r network interface ID is required to carry out the request.
2016-03-21 13:45 <hendry> what? t2 can only be run in a VPC?
2016-03-21 13:50 <lamby> lynxis: What is "paper" ?
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2016-03-21 14:51 <hendry> i used to know what HTTP_ACCESS_CONTROL_REQUEST_HEADERS/HTTP_ACCESS_CONTROL_REQUEST_HEADERS were for. Now I've forgotten.
2016-03-21 14:51 <hendry>  HTTP_ACCESS_CONTROL_REQUEST_HEADERS/Access-Control-Allow-Headers that should have read
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2016-03-21 17:24 <Valentine> bleh
2016-03-21 17:37 <icedwater> lynxis: let's just see who shows up tomorrow at 7.30pm for coreboot, yeah
2016-03-21 17:37 <icedwater> Do we need to prepare something on our laptops, ideally?
2016-03-21 17:38 <Alex> hendry: Yeah, most newer instances are VPC only. ec2-classic (non VPC) is heavily deprecated
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2016-03-22 12:56 <icedwater> Anyone else want to order a batch of club mate from clubmate.sg?
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2016-03-22 13:49 <lynxis> when does it arrive?
2016-03-22 13:52 <lynxis> icedwater: ^
2016-03-22 14:03 <lamby> interesting /nick to be ordering Mate...
2016-03-22 14:18 <ponyfleisch> Alex: what's the best strategy to automatically back up 7 days of EBS?
2016-03-22 14:18 <ponyfleisch> can't really automate snapshots from within aws, right? i'd have to run a cron job somewhere.
2016-03-22 14:58 <Alex> You can run a cronjob within Lambda
2016-03-22 14:59 <Alex> Or you can kick off the snapshot from within AWs if you like
2016-03-22 14:59 <Alex> Like the instance itself it
2016-03-22 14:59 <Alex> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/lambda/latest/dg/with-scheduled-events.html
2016-03-22 14:59 <RotiPrata> [ Using AWS Lambda with Scheduled Events - AWS Lambda ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-03-22 15:02 <lynxis> is rum and dark sugar there?
2016-03-22 15:02 <lynxis> i would like to make some Tschunk's
2016-03-22 15:03 <lynxis> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tschunk
2016-03-22 15:03 <RotiPrata> [WIKIPEDIA] Tschunk | "Tschunk or chunk [ˈtʃʊnk] is the name of a German cocktail consisting of Club-Mate and white or brown rum. It is usually served with limes. The edge of the glass may be covered with salt.^ "Tschunk – Hacker's Cocktail with Club Mate"...."
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2016-03-22 15:44 <ponyfleisch> Alex: okay, yeah. i'd rather not use the instance to trigger the backup because that could easily be disabled by an attacker.
2016-03-22 15:44 <ponyfleisch> lambda sounds like a plan
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2016-03-22 18:09 <icedwater> lynxis: not in time for today unfortunately
2016-03-22 18:09 <icedwater> within 24-48 hours
2016-03-22 18:09 <icedwater> I don't think I can make a detour to the physical store from work.
2016-03-22 19:13 <icedwater> I'll be quite late. But I guess it might just be late.
2016-03-22 19:13 <icedwater> s/be late/be us/
2016-03-22 19:13 <RotiPrata> icedwater meant to say: I'll be quite late. But I guess it might just be us.
2016-03-22 19:37 <icedwater> lynxis: are you there yet?
2016-03-22 19:44 <lynxis> icedwater: I am
2016-03-22 19:44 <lynxis> icedwater: I have some bottle of mate here
2016-03-22 19:44 <lynxis> icedwater: enough for Tschunk
2016-03-22 19:51 <icedwater> Toll
2016-03-22 19:51 <icedwater> Bin gleich da, schon in Lavender
2016-03-22 19:52 <lynxis> icedwater: take some crushed ice with you
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2016-03-22 22:41 <blue_feint> exit
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2016-03-23 00:42 <h1fuelcell> is hsg_media the projector guys?
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2016-03-23 01:43 <hyperair> h1fuelcell: it's one of the things connected to the projector, yes.
2016-03-23 01:43 <h1fuelcell> Ah okay
2016-03-23 01:43 <hyperair> hsg_media is the mac mini that runs kodi and supports airplay
2016-03-23 02:12 <h1fuelcell> Do you guys know that site on which you can generate an SSL cert automatically?
2016-03-23 02:15 <h1fuelcell> A cert from Letsencrypt I mean
2016-03-23 02:35 <lamby> httpsforfree.com ?
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2016-03-23 02:56 <h1fuelcell> Ah yeah thanks lamby googling for that got me to the actual one https://gethttpsforfree.com
2016-03-23 02:56 <RotiPrata> [ Get HTTPS for free! ] - gethttpsforfree.com
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2016-03-23 11:51 <lamby> h1fuelcell: Whoops. Was typing on phone :)
2016-03-23 11:53 <h1fuelcell> Cool! Hey btw lamby someone on #go-nuts was complaining that you download your cert from the site. The exact words were "was the site called cia.gov/free-ssl-certs"
2016-03-23 11:53 <h1fuelcell> So perhaps the webmaster ought to say something nice and trustworthy on the page... I believe it but others may have this problem, fyi...
2016-03-23 11:53 <lamby> h1fuelcell: AIUI you don't download the cert from the site (in the typical sense of the word "download")
2016-03-23 11:54 <lamby> I think it's explained well enough tbh
2016-03-23 11:54 <lamby> Or, another way of putting it; if you don't intuitively grasp the concept of what it's doing then you probably shouldn't be configuring SSL certificates in the first place...
2016-03-23 11:57 <h1fuelcell> Hmm yeah I *actually* read what it said just now and it is quite benign :)
2016-03-23 12:04 <h1fuelcell> Oh btw just to clarify I *don't* intuitively grasp what it's doing
2016-03-23 12:05 <h1fuelcell> I just see that I can run it locally and watch it for weird XHRs and that's good enough - yolo!
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2016-03-23 13:07 <lamby> .. and we wonder why we have bad security on the web. :p
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2016-03-24 11:56 <lynxis> Thanks for your nice place. It was a pleasure to be a guest.
2016-03-24 12:29 <hyperair> anytime. who are you again? :P
2016-03-24 12:29 <hyperair> ACTION hasn't associated that nick with a face yet
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2016-03-24 15:18 <Alex> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/palo_alto_insanity/
2016-03-24 15:18 <RotiPrata> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2022' in position 193: ordinal not in range(128) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sopel/modules/url.py", line 191, in find_title)
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2016-03-24 15:57 <Valentine> hyperair: he's the long hair German guy
2016-03-24 15:57 <Valentine> lynxis: take care!
2016-03-24 16:35 <hyperair> oh him
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2016-03-25 00:51 <Sklivvz> So I'm going to be around in 2 weeks with my son. Is it ok to bring a 11yo?
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2016-03-25 13:47 <lamby> Anyone in the hackerspace today/later?
2016-03-25 13:50 <lamby> I was presenting at FOSSasia, but didn't get to see the hackerspace on Sunday night when there was a visit
2016-03-25 13:50 <lamby> (I am from the Uk)
2016-03-25 13:52 <hyperair> i won't be around, but there's usually someone there.
2016-03-25 13:53 <hyperair> Sklivvz: sure, why not. as long as he doesn't thrash the place, it should be fine.
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2016-03-25 18:12 <icedwater> Sklivvz: more than it already is thrashed, he means ;)
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2016-03-28 09:57 <hendry_> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/713422975286923264
2016-03-28 09:57 <RotiPrata> [ SecuriTay on Twitter: "@AnnieDarkhorse webconverger" ] - twitter.com
2016-03-28 10:04 <hendry_> Marlinski: you not back yet?
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2016-03-28 15:28 <hendry> Alex: I know how to sign a policy for an upload to S3 now. But I am not sure how to get an authenticated listing. I don't want just anyone to be able to get the XML listing.
2016-03-28 15:28 <hendry> authenticated-read
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2016-03-28 16:59 <hendry> signed URLs maybbe
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2016-03-30 07:03 <OBTBCN> http://test.vngoogle.com/t9ddumnl5kkhorqxhre4kewb9438net4/?img=http://www.bitshacking.com/forum/images/bluefox/misc/bitslogoimg.gif/smile.jpg
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2016-03-30 22:16 <hendry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36310701/programmatically-getting-the-authorization-header-for-ajax-requests
2016-03-30 22:17 <RotiPrata> [ javascript - Programmatically getting the Authorization header for AJAX requests - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
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2016-04-03 12:54 <notthetup> Marlinski and other people who're into security.. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/hackerspacesg/ePLZyf_vNYY
2016-04-03 12:54 <RotiPrata> [ Google Groups ] - groups.google.com
2016-04-03 12:54 <notthetup> does Emre hangout here?? need to find a way to get a hold of him
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2016-04-03 17:57 <Valentine> notthetup: tried the FOSSASIA Slack?
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2016-04-04 23:03 <tkd> might as well say "Hi" here as well. I'm moving to Singapore in June and planning to join once I land (also the guy who just posted to the fb page, hehe). Looking forward to visiting in person again :)
2016-04-04 23:11 <GIANT_CRAB> hello tkd
2016-04-04 23:44 <tkd> GIANT_CRAB: hello:) do you think we met when i was in sg in 2010?
2016-04-04 23:57 <GIANT_CRAB> tkd: don't think so. I would be 12 years old in 2010
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2016-04-05 00:56 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB is so young O_O
2016-04-05 00:58 <GIANT_CRAB> lol
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2016-04-05 10:54 <GIANT_CRAB> Alex: those folks at amazon rang me up and said no to my registration
2016-04-05 10:55 <GIANT_CRAB> Last year when they rang me up, they asked if I'm a student. When I said yes, they said 'sorry blah blah...'
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2016-04-05 13:34 <hyperair> tkd: o/
2016-04-05 13:34 <hyperair> tkd: remember me?
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2016-04-05 14:18 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: seriously?
2016-04-05 14:18 <Valentine> that sucks
2016-04-05 14:19 <Valentine> I don't know why they're even bothering to qualify their attendees because most people seem to be able to walk up and enter if they wanted to
2016-04-05 14:26 <GIANT_CRAB> Valentine: yea
2016-04-05 14:28 <GIANT_CRAB> I should have put myself a "Fedora Project" or some shit
2016-04-05 14:29 <GIANT_CRAB> Valentine: that makes things worse
2016-04-05 14:29 <GIANT_CRAB> they just want to sell their products to corporations, they don't care about student or education.
2016-04-05 14:55 <hendry> Alex: ping
2016-04-05 15:49 <hendry> did you guys notice http://beta.data.gov.my/ ?
2016-04-05 15:49 <RotiPrata> [ MAMPU - Data Terbuka Sektor Awam ] - beta.data.gov.my
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2016-04-05 17:58 <tkd> hyperair: \o sure.
2016-04-05 18:06 <tkd> hsg is closest to Lavender MRT, right?
2016-04-05 19:19 <GIANT_CRAB> Tkd yep
2016-04-05 19:54 <tkd> nice, 4 stops on green line from future work :)
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2016-04-06 17:10 <Valentine> https://www.scribd.com/doc/307173914/1-Week-in-Singapore dude sounds like hendry
2016-04-06 17:10 <RotiPrata> [ 1 Week in Singapore ] - www.scribd.com
2016-04-06 17:10 <Valentine> sans the One Punch part
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2016-04-06 18:17 <hendry> is casperjs really the state of the art when it comes to testing web apps in 2016?
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2016-04-07 13:23 <Sklivvz> Hello there!
2016-04-07 13:24 <Sklivvz> Is anyone around irl for a chat?
2016-04-07 13:32 <Sklivvz> Guess not...
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2016-04-07 16:01 <ntropy> anyone going to the github meetup at paypal this evening?
2016-04-07 16:02 <ntropy> s/github/git
2016-04-07 16:02 <RotiPrata> ntropy meant to say: anyone going to the git meetup at paypal this evening?
2016-04-07 16:02 <ntropy> thanks prata, life wouldn't be the same w/o you!
2016-04-07 16:10 <robertsky> lol
2016-04-07 16:10 <huggi_> anyone out there, is there something similar like hackerspacesg in Bangkok Thailand? Thanks!
2016-04-07 16:13 <robertsky> seems like there are some active hackerspaces in bbk.. https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Thailand
2016-04-07 16:13 <RotiPrata> [ Thailand - HackerspaceWiki ] - wiki.hackerspaces.org
2016-04-07 16:21 <ponyfleisch> huggi_: if you just need a coworking space, hubba is nice
2016-04-07 16:23 <huggi_> thanks guys!
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2016-04-11 12:23 <icedwater> Anyone representing engineers-sg here?
2016-04-11 12:24 <icedwater> Specifically, the website maintenance team might want to look at the main page for a bit. Some resources seem to be missing from my end, I'm seeing lots of text like person_pin and chevron_left which I'm assuming are placeholders for icons.
2016-04-11 12:39 <Alex> I think miccheng
2016-04-11 12:39 <Alex> or whatever his Slack equivalent name is
2016-04-11 12:40 <Alex> nudge Valentine
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2016-04-11 16:22 <hendry> Alex: hate permissions and AWS UI doesn't make it any easier
2016-04-11 16:22 <hendry> A policy to allow SNS notifications form a bucket? pfft
2016-04-11 16:29 <Alex> ok.
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2016-04-11 16:40 <hendry> I am still trying to figure out the bucket policy to allow me to talk to SNS
2016-04-11 17:36 <Valentine> icedwater: @miccheng hosts on Heroku. the website itself is open source https://github.com/engineersftw/website
2016-04-11 17:36 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - engineersftw/website: Main website. ] - github.com
2016-04-11 17:53 <icedwater> Valentine: are you suggesting I make a pull request, though? :p Let me see...
2016-04-11 17:55 <hyperair> Valentine: the slack bridge is broken
2016-04-11 17:56 <icedwater> Thanks Alex btw
2016-04-11 18:07 <ponyfleisch> 4
2016-04-11 18:07 <ponyfleisch> oops
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2016-04-11 19:03 <Valentine> ah crap it's one way right now
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2016-04-11 19:04 <Lepak> <valentine> miccheng [5:47 PM]  Looks ok here Which page specifically? The icons are glyphs loaded from a font file.  hyperair [5:53 PM]  looking in the source shows something like <i class="material-icons left">person_pin/i, which probably means that some stylesheet didn't load.
2016-04-11 19:05 <Valentine> ok it works now
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2016-04-12 17:40 <hendry> Alex: how would you recommend uploading 2TB to S3?
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2016-04-12 18:20 <tkd> hendry: correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't it take something like 2 days on a 100Mbps uplink? that's… slow, but unless you need to do that regularly or fast, maybe still acceptable?
2016-04-12 18:23 <tkd> feels like 2TB is in the gray area where it's still kind of servicable with large commercial uplinks, probably too big for small ones, but still probably too small to pay for Amazon to ship you a hard drive…
2016-04-12 18:39 <hendry> tkd: i have a 2Gbit connection at home =)
2016-04-12 18:39 <tkd> well then, no problem, right?:D
2016-04-12 18:40 <tkd> also, jesus, this is one of the reasons i'm happy to be moving
2016-04-12 18:40 <tkd> my current home connection is 18Mbps ADSL. brand spanking new building, just the fiber installation's been "delayed" since they built it in 2014. they're apparently laying ethernet now but people still can't get lines xD
2016-04-12 18:42 <tkd> from what i can tell it's really hard to find a place in Singapore that *doesn't* let you get at least 100Mbps, right?
2016-04-12 18:43 <hendry> tkd: i would check for OpenNET connection BEFORE moving in
2016-04-12 18:44 <hendry> tkd: there are horror stories of people renting a space with a connection and opennet or "netlink trust" basically doesn't do an install
2016-04-12 18:44 <hendry> tkd: there are horror stories of people renting a space WITHOUT a connection and opennet or "netlink trust" basically doesn't do an install
2016-04-12 18:44 <tkd> http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/opennet-ceases-to-exist-is-renamed-netlink-trust ← "netlink trust"?
2016-04-12 18:44 <RotiPrata> [ 403 Forbidden ] - www.straitstimes.com
2016-04-12 18:44 <hendry> yes... opennet basically had a bad reputation
2016-04-12 18:45 <hendry> and they unsurprisingly changed the name
2016-04-12 18:48 <tkd> gotcha. i still suspect the probability of a 'horror story' situation in SG is lower than London, but will definitely keep this in mind.
2016-04-12 18:49 <hendry> tkd: so you're moving to Singapore ?
2016-04-12 18:49 <hendry> tkd: I have a friend in Clapham who has had about two years of crazy packetloss thanks to some long running BT cabinet issue
2016-04-12 18:50 <hendry> tkd: and he can't get 4G... lolz
2016-04-12 18:51 <tkd> yeah, waiting for my future employer to finalize the date, but looks like it's sometime in June unless MOM gives me trouble
2016-04-12 18:52 <tkd> and yeah, 4G is special in London, so is normal wired internet.
2016-04-12 18:54 <tkd> there's a bunch of buildings with actual fibre, but mostly the 'superfast' 'infinity' 'whatever' you get is 76Mbps asymmetric and that if you're lucky. and mobile internet coverage drops to nil in busy areas because everything is underprovisioned
2016-04-12 19:41 <Paul2> o/ moving from London to SG (hopefully, and only for 6 months)
2016-04-12 19:42 <tkd> Paul2: hehe, seems like a popular direction. planning to ship any of your stuff over, or just rely on suitcases and a plane?
2016-04-12 19:45 <hendry> Glad to hear guys coming over... for some reason or another I was paranoid that there wasn't enough new "fresh blood"
2016-04-12 19:45 <hendry> tkd: who do you work for?
2016-04-12 19:57 <tkd> hendry: well I'm just about to leave Google >_>
2016-04-12 20:55 <Paul2> tkd: havent thought about it yet. as its only 6months probably a coule of suitcases?
2016-04-12 20:56 <hendry> tkd: never heard of this company 'Google'
2016-04-12 20:57 <tkd> hendry: yeah they seem to have a somewhat unspecified business objective :)
2016-04-12 20:57 <hendry> tkd: which part of the company did you work in ?
2016-04-12 20:58 <tkd> hendry: Ads SRE. i still do, until end of April.
2016-04-12 20:58 <hendry> what are you going to do in Singapore?
2016-04-12 20:59 <GIANT_CRAB> Kai
2016-04-12 21:01 <hendry> GIANT_CRAB: yes
2016-04-12 21:01 <GIANT_CRAB> yes!
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2016-04-12 21:16 <tkd> hendry: just got hired by Spire. what about you?
2016-04-12 21:27 <hendry> tkd: http://www.jewelpaymentech.com/page-about.html
2016-04-12 21:27 <RotiPrata> [ Jewel Paymentech | Security in Payments | About Us< ] - www.jewelpaymentech.com
2016-04-12 21:29 <tkd> hendry: here's a bug report - your 'career' page links both CTO and Business Dev Associate to the same blog post ;)
2016-04-12 21:30 <hendry> tkd: sadly I am not in control of that. It's just a job for me.
2016-04-12 21:30 <tkd> …actually, it's even more special: the 'link' icon on the box has correct links, the <a> text doesn't
2016-04-12 21:31 <hendry> tkd: i have been also working on https://webconverger.com/ since leaving London myself
2016-04-12 21:31 <RotiPrata> [ Web Kiosk software by Webconverger ] - webconverger.com
2016-04-12 21:31 <hendry> but in the last couple of month my circumstances changed =)
2016-04-12 21:35 <tkd> oooh so you already have a London → Singapore transition experience. i'm now in the "obsessing whether i made the right call" phase, because i'm that kind of person. when did you move?:)
2016-04-12 21:35 <hendry> tkd: http://hendry.iki.fi/cv/resume.html feb 2012
2016-04-12 21:35 <ntropy> tkd: internet wise i think you can easily get fibre to the home
2016-04-12 21:35 <RotiPrata> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 156: ordinal not in range(128) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sopel/modules/url.py", line 191, in find_title)
2016-04-12 21:36 <ntropy> tkd: some isps still offer adsl, no idea who the target customers are
2016-04-12 21:36 <hendry> tkd: i initially moved to Kuala Lumpur to join my girlfriend who is now my wife
2016-04-12 21:36 <ntropy> tkd: when you go around looking at places to rent, see if there's fibre termination point, then you're all set
2016-04-12 21:37 <hendry> on the Singaporean ISP front, I recommend http://www.viewqwest.com/
2016-04-12 21:37 <RotiPrata> [ ViewQwest Pte Ltd ] - www.viewqwest.com
2016-04-12 21:38 <tkd> hehe, that's still very far down the line, just sounding out the isp waters for now. i still need a move date, and a budget (girlfriend looking for work now), and then choose a general area, and then i'll go around looking for fibre termination points :)
2016-04-12 21:40 <tkd> although, actually: are direct fibre connections common in HDB as well? Condos look nice but HDB flats seem like much better space to price value.
2016-04-12 21:40 <ntropy> yeah, those things are way harder than actually getting settled in once you're here
2016-04-12 21:40 <hendry> tkd: yes, HDBs have them
2016-04-12 21:41 <hendry> tkd: HDBs are better value
2016-04-12 21:41 <hendry> tkd: you should my blog https://natalian.org/2015/05/06/Annoying_aspects_of_renting_in_Singapore/
2016-04-12 21:41 <RotiPrata> [ Annoying aspects of renting in Singapore ] - natalian.org
2016-04-12 21:42 <hendry> tkd: https://natalian.org/2012/12/04/Singapore_banking_surprises/
2016-04-12 21:42 <RotiPrata> [ Singapore banking surprises ] - natalian.org
2016-04-12 21:45 <tkd> huh, that makes it sound almost as bad as London
2016-04-12 21:48 <hendry> it's not easy finding a super nice place
2016-04-12 21:48 <hendry> especially when landlords all seem to bind you to two year contracts
2016-04-12 21:49 <ntropy> short contract limits your options, but not impossible
2016-04-12 21:49 <ntropy> tkd: if you find a place you like on propertyguru or 99co, then you don't pay any agent fees - thats better than london :)
2016-04-12 21:49 <hendry> as I mentioned in the blog post, Singaporeans don't rent so most foreigners are treated as fair game
2016-04-12 21:53 <tkd> well as long as the adverts on 99co or something don't lie, it still seems like better value than what i'm getting here (modern but tiny 1br for roughly GBP1300 which gets me a ~40m door-to-door commute)
2016-04-12 21:54 <hendry> tkd: You can hit the jackpot with http://www.jtc.gov.sg/industrial-land-and-space/pages/wessex.aspx and http://www.sla.gov.sg/
2016-04-12 21:54 <RotiPrata> [ Wessex ] - www.jtc.gov.sg
2016-04-12 21:54 <RotiPrata> [ Welcome to SLA.GOV ] - www.sla.gov.sg
2016-04-12 21:54 <tkd> especially if i can weasel myself out of the 24mo - i've been led to believe negotiations do happen and i don't quite see flats disappearing from the rental adverts within 48h like they do here
2016-04-12 21:54 <hendry> basically this is government housing, but some of the places are really rather cute. http://www.jtc.gov.sg/industrial-land-and-space/pages/wessex.aspx for example is bizaarely allocated to "tech people"
2016-04-12 21:54 <RotiPrata> [ Wessex ] - www.jtc.gov.sg
2016-04-12 21:56 <tkd> commute from one-north to Tanjong Pagar sounds pretty harsh though.
2016-04-12 21:56 <hendry> tkd: focus on http://www.sla.gov.sg/ on SPIO properties. Unfortunately their site seems down atm. https://github.com/kaihendry/SPIO
2016-04-12 21:56 <RotiPrata> [ Welcome to SLA.GOV ] - www.sla.gov.sg
2016-04-12 21:56 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - kaihendry/SPIO: Singapore's State Property Information Online parser/grokker ] - github.com
2016-04-12 21:56 <hendry> tkd: some really nice places there
2016-04-12 22:01 <tkd> i did see some one-north flats on propertyguru but they looked like normal condo market prices (~4k for a 2br). are you saying it's possible to get better rates through these sites?
2016-04-12 22:02 <ntropy> i'd say normal condo market prices aren't that high
2016-04-12 22:02 <ntropy> it depends on your choise for location
2016-04-12 22:03 <ntropy> we're paying 2.6k for a 94sqft 2br place near serangoon
2016-04-12 22:04 <hendry> 4k for a 2br condo is pretty doable. won't be in the city. but you should get an alright place.
2016-04-12 22:04 <GIANT_CRAB> wow fuck
2016-04-12 22:06 <hendry> tkd: happy to help you decide. so many things you need to account for here. transport options. amenities. noise. hard to gauge unless you chat to a local. ;)
2016-04-12 22:07 <tkd> true, true. my initial plan is basically get an airbnb or something for a month and figure it out from there
2016-04-12 22:08 <hendry> tkd: sounds good but AirBnBs can be viciously overpriced here
2016-04-12 22:12 <tkd> i'm moving from *London*. there's really little that can surprise me at this point, i have a friend paying the equivalent of SGD2600 for a single bedroom in a 2br flat in a moderately cool neighbourhood :)
2016-04-12 22:14 <tkd> …and not as airbnb, as a 12mo fixed rental contract
2016-04-12 22:15 <ntropy> yeah, the number of cool neighbourhoods in london grew exponentially in the last several years :)
2016-04-12 22:16 <ntropy> i moved south of the river looking for more reasonable rent, and found it
2016-04-12 22:17 <tkd> yeah so did i, i moved from pimlico to lewisham :) and now lewisham prices seem to have gone up by 10-15% over the last year.
2016-04-12 22:19 <ntropy> the rent prices in singapore are apparently going down a bit, compared to what they were ~3-4 years ago
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2016-04-12 22:28 <tkd> and re: locations - i guess 'avoid the green line like the devil' is a valid recommendation, are the others bearable? from what i can tell tanjong pagar, telok ayer and chinatown are all close to the office
2016-04-12 22:29 <hendry> tkd: tbh, I live on the green line in Eunos. It's not bad if you commute outside peak times.
2016-04-12 22:30 <hendry> tkd: imho living on the east side is best
2016-04-12 22:31 <ntropy> compared to london i think you'll find the transport pretty reasonable here
2016-04-12 22:31 <hendry> it's not even close to the northern line ;)
2016-04-12 22:31 <ntropy> i've not been on the green line at peak times, its usually ok
2016-04-12 22:33 <tkd> i got worried after seeing things like an article about traffic lights for peak hour traffic on some mrt stations :)
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2016-04-12 23:46 <tkd> in another unrelated question round, am i correct that hackerspacesg is mostly 'clean room' stuff, and not much cnc/woodworking/that sort of messy endeavours? any workshops you maybe know that do more of that? never spent much time on it but wanted to learn at some point, heh.
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2016-04-13 04:29 <Valentine> tkd: there's a bunch of others like XPC and OneMakerGroup for these sort of endeavours
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2016-04-13 10:46 <icedwater> hendry: 4k for a 2br condo? That sounds really steep. I think my colleague is paying <3k.
2016-04-13 10:46 <icedwater> ntropy: Oh yeah, just noticed you are too.
2016-04-13 10:48 <icedwater> tkd: I think 3d printing is the messiest we get, unless you count the random fermentation experiments that happen ;)
2016-04-13 11:00 <ntropy> icedwater: we negotiated it down from 2.9k, im a big fan of not paying too much for rent :)
2016-04-13 11:03 <ntropy> its also with 1 year contract
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2016-04-13 14:37 <ponyfleisch> da wird sich no zeige
2016-04-13 14:37 <ponyfleisch> heh, sorry, paste error
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2016-04-13 16:12 <hendry> Alex: https://github.com/kaihendry/phps3post
2016-04-13 16:12 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - kaihendry/phps3post ] - github.com
2016-04-13 16:28 <hendry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36540651/making-phps-mail-asynchronous <-- upvote guys
2016-04-13 16:28 <RotiPrata> [ email - Making PHP's mail() asynchronous - Stack Overflow ] - stackoverflow.com
2016-04-13 16:35 <ntropy> hendry: you already have quite a lot of gold, no need to solicit upvotes :)
2016-04-13 16:39 <hendry> ntropy: can't have too much gold
2016-04-13 17:16 <tkd> ntropy: huh, negotiated 10% down? nicely done.
2016-04-13 17:18 <tkd> icedwater: yeah i saw 4k offers for really nice ones in pretty central areas. i don't necessarily want to pay that much either, hehe
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2016-04-13 17:31 <ntropy> tkd: the agent screwed up, which gave us a head start - they posted the same ad on prpertyguru and 99co, one of then being 2.9k and the other 2.8k iirc, so we said lets start the negotiations from 2.8k
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2016-04-13 23:05 <GIANT_CRAB> Alex: https://twitter.com/woohuiren/status/720265570294190083
2016-04-13 23:05 <RotiPrata> [ Woo Huiren on Twitter: ""So I know that guy, I'm gonna kick his ass later" - AlexJS (aka Javascript library for Amazon APIs) #tiasg2016 https://t.co/fe8PwzHZ3S" ] - twitter.com
2016-04-13 23:14 <hyperair> lol
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2016-04-14 12:02 <icedwater> ntropy: nice spot lol
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2016-04-14 14:06 <hendry> i guess I need to charset here for text/plain upload? http://s.natalian.org/2016-04-14/nodejs-deps.txt
2016-04-14 14:06 <RotiPrata> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 170-178: ordinal not in range(128) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sopel/modules/url.py", line 191, in find_title)
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2016-04-14 20:47 <Lepak> <valentine> @GIANT_CRAB: try this for presentations next time: http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/
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2016-04-14 23:02 <GIANT_CRAB> Lepak valentine mmmm, wanted to try to subtly promote ODF and libreoffice
2016-04-14 23:02 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: see how you can insert code blocks in libreoffice then
2016-04-14 23:02 <Valentine> or change the font to a fixed-width one at least
2016-04-14 23:02 <Valentine> easier to read
2016-04-14 23:02 <GIANT_CRAB> arh
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2016-04-14 23:31 <Valentine> test: http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/
2016-04-14 23:31 <RotiPrata> [ reveal.js – The HTML Presentation Framework ] - lab.hakim.se
2016-04-14 23:31 <Valentine> test: http://s.natalian.org/2016-04-14/nodejs-deps.txt
2016-04-14 23:45 <GIANT_CRAB> https://google.com.sg.uk.io
2016-04-14 23:45 <RotiPrata> ConnectionError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='google.com.sg.uk.io', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.VerifiedHTTPSConnection object at 0x7ff3eb1042d0>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name does not resolve',)) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 437, in send)
2016-04-14 23:45 <GIANT_CRAB> lol
2016-04-14 23:45 <GIANT_CRAB> Valentine: I'm a terrible person
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2016-04-15 00:28 <GIANT_CRAB> http://www.popsci.com/facebook-designed-high-end-360-degree-camera-for-open-source-community
2016-04-15 00:28 <RotiPrata> [ Facebook Has Designed A 360-Degree Camera For The Open Source Community | Popular Science ] - www.popsci.com
2016-04-15 00:53 <Valentine> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html
2016-04-15 00:53 <RotiPrata> [ Man accidentally 'deletes his entire company' with one line of bad code | News | Lifestyle | The Independent ] - www.independent.co.uk
2016-04-15 00:53 <Valentine> HAHAHAHAHA
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2016-04-15 02:55 <Valentine> This AWS promotional credit will expire: Apr 30, 2017.
2016-04-15 02:55 <Valentine> woo
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2016-04-15 09:30 <Alex> Valentine: woo
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2016-04-15 16:56 <Lepak> <valentine> @GIANT_CRAB: https://msp16.azurewebsites.net/ teehee
2016-04-15 16:56 <RotiPrata> [ Microsoft Student Partners Registration ] - msp16.azurewebsites.net
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2016-04-15 19:47 <GIANT_CRAB> lol
2016-04-15 19:47 <GIANT_CRAB> time to trade my opensource soul for free azure credits
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2016-04-15 20:16 <GIANT_CRAB> solved it all, pretty easy actually
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2016-04-15 20:55 <ntropy> and what do you get exactly?
2016-04-15 20:56 <GIANT_CRAB> ntropy: there are some benefits to being an MSP - you get invited to their microsoft christmas parties, lots of free proprietary stuff, etc.
2016-04-15 20:58 <GIANT_CRAB> But nah, I'm not gonna apply (didn't submit this), here's for the laughs tho.  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Toxi45uK/photo_2016-04-15_20-57-06.jpg
2016-04-15 21:55 <downey> http://mediacdn.snorgcontent.com/media/catalog/product/d/a/darkside_fullpic.png
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2016-04-15 22:52 <ntropy> GIANT_CRAB: i actually lol'ed, that's a very emotional message
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2016-04-16 15:37 <concernedcitizen> ACTION licks icedwate1
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2016-04-16 20:48 <Sklivvz> hello all!
2016-04-16 20:51 <Sklivvz> hey @journeymangeek how are you?
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2016-04-17 08:25 <hendry> Valentine: https://hackerspace.sg/faq/ doesn't have a way of linking to the individual question
2016-04-17 08:25 <RotiPrata> [ HackerspaceSG: the Singapore tech scene's community centre ] - hackerspace.sg
2016-04-17 08:25 <hendry> that makes it crap
2016-04-17 08:43 <Valentine> hendry: weren't you the one who did the initial templating on Punch?
2016-04-17 08:54 <hendry> Valentine: i thought as moving off that shitware Wordpress. I can't do it all
2016-04-17 09:10 <github> [hackerspace.sg] rolandturner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwtYo
2016-04-17 09:10 <github> hackerspace.sg/master dfb2b86 Roland Turner: Minor typos
2016-04-17 09:12 <github> [hackerspace.sg] rolandturner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwtYK
2016-04-17 09:12 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 4ed55ba Roland Turner: Tone down passive aggression
2016-04-17 09:39 <hendry> Almost surprised no one has moved it to Jekyll
2016-04-17 09:39 <hendry> thought CJ was threatening to do so
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2016-04-17 21:30 <Valentine> hendry: oh chernjie hid it well https://github.com/hackerspacesg/hackerspace.sg/tree/jekyll
2016-04-17 21:31 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - hackerspacesg/hackerspace.sg at jekyll ] - github.com
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2016-04-17 22:16 <Sklivvvz> Hey, @journeymangeek is internet-famous! Top spot on Hacker News (http://take.ms/3cv2o, http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8696/what-to-do-with-the-rm-rf-hoax-question)
2016-04-17 22:16 <RotiPrata> [ What to do with the "rm -rf" hoax question - Meta Server Fault ] - meta.serverfault.com
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2016-04-18 11:04 <greatgib_sg> Hi
2016-04-18 11:06 <greatgib_sg> I come here after visiting the hackerspace website.
2016-04-18 11:09 <greatgib_sg> I'm a french engineer, working remotely from home in Singapore till the end of the month. Some times, like today, I have a need to print and scan some things so I was looking like for things like coworking space or caf with hourly fees, or something like that
2016-04-18 11:10 <greatgib_sg> And I saw on a forum that the hackerspace would admit guests some times. Is it possible?
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2016-04-18 15:34 <Lepak> <robertsky> test
2016-04-18 15:35 <Lepak> <robertsky> greatgib_sg: yes. we don't have hourly rate. however, we have a couple of cute tip jars that accept money.
2016-04-18 15:36 <greatgib_sg> Thanks, awesome, so I will drop by there maybe tomorrow
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2016-04-19 13:46 <hendry> hypera1r: will you be at HSG at 6PM?
2016-04-19 14:14 <hypera1r> hendry: no
2016-04-19 14:14 <hypera1r> hendry: but your stuff's already printed. collect it from the laser cutter top
2016-04-19 14:15 <hypera1r> hendry: https://goo.gl/photos/p4uurWYCwoJ5iQL77
2016-04-19 14:15 <RotiPrata> [ Shared album - Loong Jin Chow - Google Photos ] - goo.gl
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2016-04-19 14:27 <hendry> hypera1r: cool, thank you
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2016-04-20 05:10 <Valentine> icedwate1: https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/4febts/rsingapore_random_discussion_and_small_questions/d28haud
2016-04-20 05:10 <RotiPrata> [REDDIT] /r/singapore random discussion and small questions thread for April 19, 2016 (self.singapore) | 10 points (75.0%) | 531 comments | Posted by AutoModerator | Created at 2016-04-19 - 06:03:07SGT
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2016-04-20 11:08 <hendry> i wonder if this is a serious profile pic https://github.com/caskey
2016-04-20 11:08 <RotiPrata> [ caskey (Caskey Dickson) · GitHub ] - github.com
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2016-04-20 17:12 <hendry> Getting JSON.Stringify is not a function here... https://feedback.dabase.com/ wth
2016-04-20 17:12 <RotiPrata> [ Feedback demo ] - feedback.dabase.com
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2016-04-20 20:50 <tkd> hendry: i think it's JSON.stringify
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2016-04-21 02:42 <Valentine> Alex: As the amount of data being created by applications increases, the requirement to keep pace in this space becomes increasingly difficult. This session covers how to properly collect, manage and present the data usefully using service offerings from Amazon Web Services such as Amazon RedShift and Amazon Kinesis. At this session we will include live demo on parsing the data generated and management of the data.
2016-04-21 02:42 <Valentine> sounds fun
2016-04-21 02:44 <Valentine> I count 5 one-hour sessions for Alex at the summit. sounds like he's on a roll
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2016-04-21 08:40 <Alex> Valentine: oh god don't remind me
2016-04-21 08:40 <Alex> I have so much to prepare ;_;
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2016-04-21 10:15 <Lepak> <robertsky> Not going on a vacation after this, Alex?
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2016-04-21 13:59 <hendry> wth is my JS not executing... https://jsfiddle.net/kaihendry/2vqm2e05/2/
2016-04-21 13:59 <RotiPrata> [ JS POST - JSFiddle ] - jsfiddle.net
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2016-04-21 15:49 <tkd> > Uncaught TypeError: feedbackform[Symbol.iterator] is not a function
2016-04-21 15:49 <tkd> hendry: i have to say that's… interesting
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2016-04-21 15:56 <tkd> hendry: works in firefox, wont't work in chrome for a while yet https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=538558
2016-04-21 15:56 <RotiPrata> [ Issue 538558 - chromium - for-of on HTMLCollection throws undefined is not a function - Monorail ] - bugs.chromium.org
2016-04-21 15:59 <hendry> tkd: i figured it out... took me awhile. https://github.com/kaihendry/vanilla-php-feedback-form
2016-04-21 15:59 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - kaihendry/vanilla-php-feedback-form: Really simple feedback form ] - github.com
2016-04-21 15:59 <hendry> esp since I forgot I disabled JS in devtools
2016-04-21 16:04 <tkd> hendry: does it actually work on current chrome stable, or are you really targeting the future?:)
2016-04-21 16:05 <hendry> tkd: https://feedback.dabase.com/ works with browser with no js
2016-04-21 16:05 <RotiPrata> [ Feedback demo ] - feedback.dabase.com
2016-04-21 16:05 <hendry> and those that can grok es6 ;)
2016-04-21 16:07 <tkd> when i tried your jsfiddle what happened was that the onsubmit handler threw an exception - because (on account of that issue) there's no for…of iteration on DOM NodeLists in my version of chromium
2016-04-21 16:07 <hendry> tkd: forget the fiddle. Just use https://feedback.dabase.com/
2016-04-21 16:07 <RotiPrata> [ Feedback demo ] - feedback.dabase.com
2016-04-21 16:08 <tkd> yeah so that will probably work but probably in non-js mode
2016-04-21 16:08 <tkd> yep, redirected me to a blank feedback.php page
2016-04-21 16:10 <hendry> i should print something on that page. but it did send.
2016-04-21 16:11 <tkd> this is actually interesting, i wouldve thought an uncaught exception would still intercept the event
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2016-04-22 01:05 <Valentine> AWS left me 4 missed calls today for the Summit
2016-04-22 01:05 <Valentine> quite impressed at how tenacious they are
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2016-04-23 09:37 <pa_ul> hi
2016-04-23 09:37 <pa_ul> Whats the best place to look for tech jobs in SG?
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2016-04-23 14:49 <Alex> pa_ul: Depends - some of the recruiters aren't bad, people often post on the HSG FB group. What sort of thing are you looking for?
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2016-04-24 07:08 <pa_ul> Alex: I'm looking for a systems administrator/Devops role
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2016-04-24 10:32 <Alex> pa_ul: and are you currently based in au still, or here already?
2016-04-24 10:33 <pa_ul> Alex: I'm still in AU until mid-May
2016-04-24 11:19 <Lepak> <robertsky> pa_ul: you can try http://startupjobs.asia|startupjobs.asia or linkedin
2016-04-24 11:19 <RotiPrata> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='startupjobs.asia%7Cstartupjobs.asia', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7fc4d0641910>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name does not resolve',)) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 437, in send)
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2016-04-24 19:29 <pa_ul> Lepak: Thanks! I checked both sites already.
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2016-04-25 09:43 <icedwater> Anybody interested in helping to test some chatbots? We're preparing for an open evaluation task at a coming conference. Drop me a line :)
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2016-04-25 09:50 <icedwater> Or, register as a data generator on here: https://goo.gl/G4w7T9, then click around to find a bot to chat with out here: http://workshop.colips.org/re-wochat/chatbot_info.html
2016-04-25 09:50 <RotiPrata> [ Shared Task Registration Form ] - goo.gl
2016-04-25 09:50 <RotiPrata> [ RE-WOCHAT ] - workshop.colips.org
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2016-04-25 16:44 <ponyfleisch> yo, friends. if anyone knows anyone who needs a geylang shoebox apartment for precisely one month from june 16 to july 16, refer them to me :)
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2016-04-25 23:06 <tkd> ponyfleisch: define shoebox please? if my EP application goes as planned, that's roughly when i plan to move to SG and wanted something short-term while i find a place for myself
2016-04-25 23:09 <ponyfleisch> tkd: around 40 sqm inside i think.
2016-04-25 23:10 <ponyfleisch> http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/18940624/for-sale-la-fleur
2016-04-25 23:10 <ponyfleisch> that's the unit i think. there is a floor plan.
2016-04-25 23:11 <ponyfleisch> big roof terrace
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2016-04-26 00:30 <GIANT_CRAB> We should do one for Singapore - https://stupidhackathon.github.io/?2.0
2016-04-26 00:30 <RotiPrata> [ The San Francisco Stupid Shit No One Needs and Terrible Ideas Hackathon ] - stupidhackathon.github.io
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2016-04-26 01:54 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: lukewarm response though https://www.facebook.com/groups/hackerspacesg/permalink/10153490280061680/
2016-04-26 01:54 <RotiPrata> [ HackerspaceSG public group | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
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2016-04-27 16:07 <icedwater> Valentine: let's just do a v0.1 as a meetup in HSG, then see where it grows? Also, there is Geek Brunch this Sat...
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2016-04-27 19:00 <Lepak> <valentine> :wave: @weimanlearns
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2016-04-28 00:26 <Lepak> <weimanlearns> yo you wassup~ @valentine
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2016-04-28 09:56 <ntropy> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/no-starch-hacking-books - a bunch of ebooks for $15 USD
2016-04-28 09:56 <RotiPrata> [ Humble Book Bundle: Hacking presented by No Starch Press (pay what you want and help charity) ] - www.humblebundle.com
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2016-04-28 13:58 <Lepak> <miccheng> Would like to invite everyone here to: http://geekbrunch.sg - meet the tech glitterati of Singapore
2016-04-28 13:58 <RotiPrata> [ Geek Brunch SG ] - geekbrunch.sg
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2016-04-28 21:25 <pa_ul> Are there any good meetups to make connections? I'm looking for a job in SG
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2016-04-28 22:06 <ponyfleisch> pa_ul: what kind of work do you do?
2016-04-28 22:32 <pa_ul> ponyfleisch: devops/sysadmin
2016-04-28 22:42 <ponyfleisch> nice
2016-04-28 22:42 <ponyfleisch> there are tons of meetups to make connections
2016-04-28 22:43 <ponyfleisch> check out webuild.sg
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2016-04-29 00:22 <Lepak> <miccheng> @pa_ul: Come for the Cloud Foundry meetup on 3 May: http://www.meetup.com/Singapore-Cloud-Foundry-Meetup/events/230540641/
2016-04-29 00:22 <RotiPrata> [ Building Cloud Native Applications with Cloud Foundry and Spring - Singapore Cloud Foundry Meetup (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
2016-04-29 00:23 <Lepak> <miccheng> might be a good place to make connections.
2016-04-29 00:24 <Lepak> <miccheng> Also, check out DevOps Singapore: http://www.meetup.com/devops-singapore/
2016-04-29 00:24 <RotiPrata> [ DevOps Singapore (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
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2016-04-29 18:44 <concernedcitizen> ACTION licks icedwater 
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2016-05-01 23:20 <Mezabu> Hello
2016-05-01 23:21 <Mezabu> Any body here?
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2016-05-02 12:37 <icedwater> Kind of :p
2016-05-02 12:38 <icedwater> ACTION fishes out a rusty penknife, looking for concernedcitizen 
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2016-05-02 17:55 <Lepak> <miccheng> We are pleased to announce that http://PHPConf.Asia|PHPConf.Asia 2016 is happening once again in Singapore! More info at https://2016.phpconf.asia. CFP is also open: https://cfp.phpconf.asia
2016-05-02 17:55 <RotiPrata> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='PHPConf.Asia%7CPHPConf.Asia', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7fc4d05e7950>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name does not resolve',)) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 437, in send)
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2016-05-03 10:07 <ntropy> thats funny ^
2016-05-03 10:08 <ntropy> does anyone have any recommendations for dedicated server hosting in APAC region?
2016-05-03 10:10 <ntropy> or perhaps someone works at a hosting provider and could dedicate some resources?
2016-05-03 10:11 <ntropy> this is for the freebsd project, they're looking for mirrors in the region
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2016-05-03 11:06 <GIANT_CRAB> ntropy: Softlayer, LeaseWeb, HostSG
2016-05-03 11:06 <GIANT_CRAB> pick your poison. HostSG has pretty good routes, a lil ex tho
2016-05-03 11:09 <GIANT_CRAB> if you want "affordable" go for https://www.server.lu/ or http://root.lu/ (both are same)
2016-05-03 11:09 <RotiPrata> [ Europe/Asia Dedicated Servers, Virtual Servers, And Server Housing | Server.lu ] - www.server.lu
2016-05-03 11:09 <RotiPrata> [ Hosting, Dedicated Servers and Domain Names | root S.A. ] - root.lu
2016-05-03 11:13 <hendry> https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/705690589585502209
2016-05-03 11:13 <RotiPrata> [ Kai Hendry on Twitter: "Asking for a friend: Who does dedicated servers in Singapore? (like Hertzner) cc @bytebot" ] - twitter.com
2016-05-03 11:27 <hendry> Marlinski: howdy
2016-05-03 12:04 <Marlinski> howdy how
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2016-05-03 17:01 <icedwater> Why do people use ASP.NET
2016-05-03 17:01 <icedwater> WWWWWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
2016-05-03 17:01 <icedwater> /ahem
2016-05-03 17:01 <icedwater> Back to work.
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2016-05-03 21:28 <ntropy> hendry: thanks for that, im not associated with the project, it was mostly a question to satisfy my own curiosity
2016-05-03 21:29 <ntropy> it would be great to have the resources to offer them a mirror, but im surprised how expensive the hosting here is
2016-05-03 21:30 <ntropy> NUS have an unofficial mirror, http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/FreeBSD/
2016-05-03 21:30 <RotiPrata> [ Index of /FreeBSD/ ] - mirror.nus.edu.sg
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2016-05-04 00:29 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: we need someone to shout at, and by using ASP.NET, we can shout at microsoft when things go wrong.
2016-05-04 00:29 <GIANT_CRAB> roflelolmao
2016-05-04 00:29 <GIANT_CRAB> "shouting culture"
2016-05-04 00:30 <GIANT_CRAB> if we use something that is opensource - like Python or Node, etc, we can't shout at anyone
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2016-05-04 12:09 <icedwater> Erm... I would rather not have to shout at anyone :p
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2016-05-04 15:14 <Marlinski> is there an airshow soon ?
2016-05-04 15:14 <Marlinski> those military plane are getting on my nerves
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2016-05-04 20:14 <notthetup> hello
2016-05-04 20:15 <notthetup> showing some people at kernelSG meetup that IRC is still active :P
2016-05-04 20:39 <GIANT_CRAB> notthetup: mmm, you're there? couldn't attend today
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2016-05-04 21:52 <hendry> notthetup: what... ?! what's kernelSG ?
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2016-05-04 23:46 <GIANT_CRAB> hendry: http://www.meetup.com/Linux-Kernel-Developers/
2016-05-04 23:46 <RotiPrata> [ Linux Kernel Developers (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
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2016-05-05 09:53 <hendry> Didn't realise there was a kernel meetup.
2016-05-05 09:54 <hendry> I miss writing C
2016-05-05 09:54 <hendry> nowadays I'm writing JS and omg... i need to do a video about that
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2016-05-06 11:55 <hendry> uzyn: howdy
2016-05-06 11:56 <uzyn> hey hendry
2016-05-06 12:00 <uzyn> Thank god we still have IRC and not a Slack team for every single interest groups.
2016-05-06 12:03 <hendry> yeah, I'm not a fan of gitter & slack
2016-05-06 12:03 <hendry> or any other closed communication platform
2016-05-06 12:03 <hendry> i wonder how openwhisper systems run their servers
2016-05-06 12:04 <hendry> hah, just saw your facebook post
2016-05-06 12:04 <hendry> oh well... can't win
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2016-05-06 13:32 <icedwater> uzyn: actually, once you have a few slack teams, what's the cost of adding more compared to joining more IRC rooms/servers?
2016-05-06 13:33 <icedwater> I feel the UX is a lot clunkier, personally. I'd rather /win 3 to go to another chatroom than have to swipe right, search for a team, search for a chat, then message.
2016-05-06 14:29 <ponyfleisch> i like gitter a lot nowadays.
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2016-05-06 16:58 <uzyn> icedwater: that's the thing. People are creating Slack groups for everything. Every user groups have one, every products have one.
2016-05-06 17:49 <Valentine> I think it gives the group owners/organisers a sense of ownership
2016-05-06 17:49 <Valentine> I hate Gitter
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2016-05-07 18:03 <GIANT_CRAB> holy shit
2016-05-07 18:03 <GIANT_CRAB> roland has a brilliant experience in the field of radio stuff
2016-05-07 19:11 <icedwater> Gitter, no gitter, slack, no slack, sigh. Everyone has their own preferences, unfortunately.
2016-05-07 19:11 <icedwater> Anyone here want to learn Python? :p
2016-05-07 19:11 <icedwater> I'm getting a small group together to run through a Coursera thing.
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2016-05-12 15:16 <hendry> hyperair: going to Malaysia anytime soon?
2016-05-12 15:17 <hendry> hyperair: shall we try TF2 server on Digital Ocean or something like that?
2016-05-12 15:17 <hendry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ZWTVWxu7c
2016-05-12 15:17 <RotiPrata> [ First impressions of Windows Subsystem for Linux aka Bash on Ubuntu on Windows - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2016-05-12 18:58 <hyperair> hendry: go ahead and set it upp
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2016-05-12 22:35 <hendry> https://github.com/Gonzih/docker-tf2-server ... hmmm
2016-05-12 22:35 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - Gonzih/docker-tf2-server: Dockerfile for Team Fortress 2 server ] - github.com
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2016-05-13 10:34 <hendry> can't believe the hl2 steam server is almost 7GB http://s.natalian.org/2016-05-13/1463106837_2548x1380.png
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2016-05-13 11:53 <hendry> anyone know why my hub moved over here? http://s.natalian.org/2016-05-13/networkhub.jpeg
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2016-05-13 22:27 <GIANT_CRAB> hendry: lol
2016-05-13 22:27 <GIANT_CRAB> saw ur email on the mailing as well
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2016-05-15 10:20 <pa_ul> which places in SG are worth to check out when looking for work?
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2016-05-15 14:34 <GIANT_CRAB> pa_ul: Pivotal, Amazon, Red Hat
2016-05-15 14:34 <GIANT_CRAB> Paypal too, there's nice folks there like CJ
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2016-05-16 13:03 <icedwater> Hey, I'm on my Ubuntu 12.04 box and I couldn't get eth0 detected after a power outage. It's working fine on this other live distro, and the cable has been tested with another PC as well. What should I be looking for to fix it? I couldn't ifup the interface manually either...
2016-05-16 13:03 <icedwater> win 9
2016-05-16 13:03 <icedwater> Gah
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2016-05-16 13:09 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: try restarting network service (on fedora it's NetworkManager) or restarting the box? lol
2016-05-16 13:11 <icedwater> GIANT_CRAB: restarted several times already. Very strange.
2016-05-16 13:12 <GIANT_CRAB> That's really odd, may it's actually time to move to 16 or at least 14 LTS
2016-05-16 13:15 <icedwater> That's not really solving the problem, though :p
2016-05-16 13:18 <icedwater> At any rate, I've been packing things slowly so that I can do a backup and do-release-upgrade
2016-05-16 13:26 <linc01n> icedwater: can u see ur card from dmesg?
2016-05-16 13:59 <icedwater> linco1n: yes. wait
2016-05-16 14:01 <icedwater> Earliest line I see is e1000e: Intel (R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 2.3.2-k
2016-05-16 14:06 <masnell__> Not aware of Intel cards having this problem, but worth a shot -> Start system (from cold - not reset) with UTP disconnected - once up and logined in - plug cable in and see if it connects up
2016-05-16 14:07 <icedwater> Kernel mod is loaded, lspci sees the card, but I haven't been able to use it.
2016-05-16 14:07 <masnell__> other problems I hv seen is autoneg causing issues - so fixing the NIC line speed to 10/100/1000 may resolve
2016-05-16 14:08 <icedwater> masnell__ will try that. But why do you suggest it? Also Hamara Linux had no problems getting the card to work, nor my own setup up till the power trip.
2016-05-16 14:08 <masnell__> - I have this problem with my laptop NIC - but thought it was generally considered a r8168/9 driver problem - is it will all load and look good - but it never gets a DHCP address - you running DHCP or Static? - changing to Static may also help resolv/troubleshoot
2016-05-16 14:08 <icedwater> I have a static address defined in /etc/network/interfaces, yes
2016-05-16 14:09 <icedwater> ifup -a doesn't work though
2016-05-16 14:13 <masnell__> I know I have seen this specific problem before but be damned if I can remember the details - a unplanned power outage on the unit then suddenly NIC gives greif - I am 100% sure it wasn't a HW issue tho (but it would be my immediate natural belief after a poke around) - was probably Ubuntu 12.04 also on a Pro/1000 onboard
2016-05-16 14:13 <masnell__> triend booting to a diff kenerel version?
2016-05-16 14:17 <icedwater> Might do that too. But I had other things in the queue as well. Why should a kernel version that worked before not work now; I'll look it up when I have time
2016-05-16 14:25 <masnell__> I did a quick search - seems Pro/1000 & Ubuntu 12.04 had problems - one suggestion I saw (related to appearing and disappearing NIC on dual boot system) was to powerdown for 30 sec then try booting - makes sense as I suspect some firmware/initialization/eeprom/NIC memory residue floating around - though you would think booting to live distro and working OK
2016-05-16 14:25 <masnell__> would flush the problem for Ubuntu -
2016-05-16 14:26 <masnell__> booting to an older kernel was my way of thinking that it could be a Firmware / driver initialization issue - the unsuspecting power out could hav eleft the NIC in a unclean state the driver cand cope with
2016-05-16 14:26 <masnell__> *can't
2016-05-16 14:36 <icedwater> Mm
2016-05-16 14:36 <icedwater> I'll leave the PC down for longer then
2016-05-16 14:37 <icedwater> 35 minutes should do the trick :p
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2016-05-16 14:43 <icedwater> So the odd thing is that a live USB was able to use the network card since the downtime, so it could really be a kernel issue
2016-05-16 14:56 <ntropy> if it works with a live distro and you see it in lspci, then its totally an issue with your install
2016-05-16 14:56 <ntropy> do you see anything in /var/log/syslog about it?
2016-05-16 14:56 <ntropy> and ip link doesn't even show the device?
2016-05-16 15:00 <ntropy> also - http://everythingsysadmin.com/2012/03/fear-of-rebooting.html
2016-05-16 15:00 <RotiPrata> [ Fear of Rebooting - Tom Limoncelli's EverythingSysadmin Blog ] - everythingsysadmin.com
2016-05-16 15:49 <icedwater> ntropy: no, ip link doesn't show the device. I was going to upgrade to 14.04/16.04 anyway... this might just be forcing my hand
2016-05-16 15:55 <icedwater> OK... so I checked syslog and it was getting DHCP conversations as eth6 even though eth0 was defined in /etc/network/interfaces...
2016-05-16 15:56 <icedwater> I changed eth0 to eth6 and I was able to ifup
2016-05-16 16:05 <icedwater> #pebkac
2016-05-16 16:06 <icedwater> ACTION applies for network administrator jobs
2016-05-16 16:19 <icedwater> Wasn't there an article about why they preferred using another naming system other than ethX..
2016-05-16 16:21 <icedwater> Thanks though, everyone.
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2016-05-16 17:35 <hendry> what an epic storm
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2016-05-16 19:42 <ntropy> icedwater: you can make interfaces come up with consistent names by using udev rules
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2016-05-17 10:23 <icedwater> ntropy: hmm, thanks. I'll look that up.
2016-05-17 13:49 <hendry> find /opt/firefox/langpacks/ -name searchplugins -type d | xargs rm -rf
2016-05-17 13:49 <hendry> oops, sorry
2016-05-17 14:36 <pa_ul> what's the salary in SG for DevOps/Systems Admin?
2016-05-17 14:37 <ponyfleisch> pa_ul: the range is probably quite big
2016-05-17 14:38 <ponyfleisch> i wouldn't be surprised at anything between 3k and 12k a month. with some outliers. :)
2016-05-17 14:40 <linc01n> my company just hired a "DevOps" post. And the definition is different to my understanding.
2016-05-17 14:40 <linc01n> ACTION think devops is ops applying dev mentality like TDD and automation
2016-05-17 14:41 <linc01n> my boss interpret it as Dev + Ops. You can do dev and ops at the same time
2016-05-17 14:41 <ponyfleisch> heh, yeah, it's one of those words
2016-05-17 14:42 <ponyfleisch> it's like a rorschach test
2016-05-17 14:42 <ponyfleisch> see in it whatever you want to see :)
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2016-05-17 15:10 <ponyfleisch> linc01n: i think old school ops guys might take offense at the notion that automation is a developer concept :)
2016-05-17 15:11 <hendry> oh jeepers, another storm
2016-05-17 15:12 <linc01n> i think automation is a computer concept. replace human on repetitive work
2016-05-17 15:42 <ponyfleisch> linc01n: yeah, but it was an old-school sysadmin obsession way before the term devops existed.
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2016-05-17 17:19 <pa_ul> well, i have around 5 years experience. My salary in australia was like 6k per month, but I'm not sure what to expect here
2016-05-17 17:19 <pa_ul> I reckon costs of living here are the same
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2016-05-17 17:37 <ponyfleisch> depends on whether you like alcohol. and space. and cars.
2016-05-17 17:40 <pa_ul> ponyfleisch: for which salary would you aim here? I don't think 6k is particullary high
2016-05-17 17:42 <ponyfleisch> heh, i don't know really. whatever you can get.
2016-05-17 17:42 <ponyfleisch> anything under 6k is potentially a hassle when getting an employment pass.
2016-05-17 17:43 <ponyfleisch> what stuff do you do mainly? ansible? docker? chef?
2016-05-17 17:43 <ponyfleisch> any heavy aws experience?
2016-05-17 17:46 <pa_ul> ponyfleisch: ansible, docker, AWS, saltstack, monitoring, kubernetes
2016-05-17 17:47 <pa_ul> a lof of startups here get million in funding, but then want to save money on labor haha
2016-05-17 17:47 <pa_ul> millions*
2016-05-17 17:49 <ponyfleisch> pa_ul: anyway, i think you can try asking for anything between 6k (if you really want the job) to 12k (if you want to gamble and don't care either way)
2016-05-17 17:51 <pa_ul> I see. Most hilarious things so far are companies trying to push the salaries down to 3-4k and one even asked me if I want to work in Indonesia, so they can pay less hahaha
2016-05-17 17:52 <ponyfleisch> heh. i would want more money to work in indo. heh.
2016-05-17 17:57 <pa_ul> I know, right
2016-05-17 20:54 <ntropy> pa_ul: my experience re: salary is that changing jobs is the easiest way to get a pay rise, so i say aim high
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2016-05-18 13:49 <notthetup> hello
2016-05-18 13:49 <notthetup> finally we have more voices than @hendry here.. maybe I can hangout here more often
2016-05-18 14:05 <hendry> notthetup: which voice is that?
2016-05-18 14:38 <ntropy> notthetup: +v? :)
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2016-05-18 15:30 <Alex> that's not very nice
2016-05-18 15:30 <Alex> go away.
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2016-05-19 17:09 <hendry> OMFG... an image for text? SERIOUSLY?! http://sg.k-startupgc.org/intro.html
2016-05-19 17:09 <RotiPrata> [ K-Startup Grand Challenge 2016 ] - sg.k-startupgc.org
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2016-05-19 18:10 <icedwater> notthetup: I have always been here. :p
2016-05-19 18:13 <icedwater> Is it better to install mysql 5.7 on ubuntu 12.04 from the a) mysql repo or b) ondrej's ppa? <-- strictly these two options to be considered.
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2016-05-19 19:10 <smooth_penguin> does anyone know any offline places to buy Atmegas in Singapore?
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2016-05-20 10:36 <hendry> tempted to go along to do this http://www.meetup.com/Singapore-Software-QA-Meetup/events/230648794/
2016-05-20 10:36 <RotiPrata> [ Security Testing Workshop (HTML 5 security considerations) - Singapore Software QA Meetup (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
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2016-05-20 18:21 <Valentine> ah Lepak got killed and I didn't realise
2016-05-20 18:21 <Valentine> was wondering why hendry wasn't making noise on Slack/IRC
2016-05-20 18:21 <Lepak> <valentine> there we go
2016-05-20 18:42 <cwliao> hmm... anyone know any resources concerning the national robotics programme mentioned in the budget speech?
2016-05-20 20:28 <hendry> TF2 peeps ?
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2016-05-21 00:31 <GIANT_CRAB> I'm a bit late to the FOSS bandwagon but -- https://github.com/amznlabs/amazon-dsstne
2016-05-21 00:31 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - amznlabs/amazon-dsstne: Deep Scalable Sparse Tensor Network Engine (DSSTNE) is an Amazon developed library for building Deep Learning (DL) machine learning (ML) models ] - github.com
2016-05-21 00:31 <GIANT_CRAB> Seems like Amazon is doing good stuff there by making their Machine Learning stuff opensource
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2016-05-21 10:39 <MeowZedong> Hi, I was wondering if some of you are Singaporean or ex-pats working in Singapore. Nice to meet you all.
2016-05-21 10:39 <MeowZedong> ^____^
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2016-05-21 13:38 <shout-user-test> hendry: this is a test!
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2016-05-22 11:25 <ruiwen> heyo anyone know how to query for the presence of a json field as part of a jsonb array?
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2016-05-23 16:43 <concernedcitizen> ACTION licks icedwater
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2016-05-23 20:23 <ponyfleisch> i have a raspberry pi b+ here, and when i plug the power (usb) in, the ACT and PWR LEDs both turn on and stay on. the attached monitor doesn't feel like switching on. no activity.
2016-05-23 20:23 <ponyfleisch> it ded?
2016-05-23 20:25 <ponyfleisch> or does it do that when there is nothing to boot on the SD?
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2016-05-24 18:18 <ponyfleisch> Alex: are there any significant disadvantages to using CF with 0 TTL just as an SSL frontend?
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2016-05-24 20:04 <explore> hi
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2016-05-24 22:31 <Alex> ponyfleisch: Only the extra hop introduced, I have reasonably large amounts of customers doing this
2016-05-24 22:32 <Alex> Some advantages - generally our international networking is better than the average ISP, meaning allowing people to connect from say PH -> PH and we do international (vs PH -> SG over ISP's international) is better
2016-05-24 22:32 <Alex> Downside is the added latency from an extra hop if 100% is in SG, but even then it's 10s of ms
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2016-05-25 10:34 <ponyfleisch> Alex: thanks. 10s of ms is still a lot though. heh. nah but sounds good. i wonder why with the whole certificate manager there isn't a simple SSL gateway that doesn't cost as much as the load balancers :)
2016-05-25 10:35 <ponyfleisch> on the other hand, the load balancers are quite cheap
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2016-05-25 10:49 <Alex> API Gateway you mean?
2016-05-25 10:49 <Alex> you could have CF be a simple gateway to a single server - but if you have multiple you need a LB, right? :)
2016-05-25 11:01 <ponyfleisch> yeah i mean CF is a bit more than just an SSL gateway though
2016-05-25 11:02 <ponyfleisch> but i guess if i get better routing with it, why not..
2016-05-25 11:07 <Alex> Slightly more expensive on data transfer out, I guess.
2016-05-25 11:07 <Alex> but there are few situations where you'd want a single server to be hosting a service, right? ;-)
2016-05-25 11:15 <ponyfleisch> hey, i never claimed i did things RIGHT. :)
2016-05-25 11:16 <ponyfleisch> nah but in all seriousness, i can either go single server and risk some downtime OR i can do some DIY NFS hosting (because FUCKING EFS is not in singapore) and risk downtime when my storage single point of failure dies.
2016-05-25 11:17 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i mean, what is the minimum amount of EC2 instances i have to run to have a resilient infrastructure with shared file storage?
2016-05-25 11:18 <ponyfleisch> or is s3fs a good idea?
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2016-05-25 11:37 <Alex> I really dislike S3fs
2016-05-25 11:37 <Alex> I'd prefer to rewrite my applications to natively talk to S3
2016-05-25 11:37 <Alex> but it depends - what kind of files?
2016-05-25 11:45 <ponyfleisch> images
2016-05-25 11:45 <ponyfleisch> so yes, ideally the app would be using s3 natively.
2016-05-25 11:45 <ponyfleisch> but i'm hoping to replace it soon anyway.
2016-05-25 11:45 <ponyfleisch> so this is really THE use case for EFS
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2016-05-25 16:55 <ponyfleisch> urgh
2016-05-25 16:59 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i have a max ttl of 60 in a cf distribution
2016-05-25 16:59 <ponyfleisch> and yet it seems to cache stuff much longer.
2016-05-25 17:00 <ponyfleisch> (stuff is on an s3 bucket)
2016-05-25 17:00 <Alex> Example item?
2016-05-25 17:01 <ponyfleisch> pm
2016-05-25 18:06 <icedwater> Any pyconsg folks around? Are Early Bird tickets sold out, or is there a typo on the site?
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2016-05-25 19:52 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: early birds out iirc, left with normal tickets
2016-05-25 19:53 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: ping martin on twitter?
2016-05-25 20:31 <ntropy> ponyfleisch: when you say cf you mean cloudflare?  did you figure out the caching?
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2016-05-25 22:18 <icedwater> GIANT_CRAB: just curious because the prices for student tickets seemed the same. Might be hard to convince students to stump up 80 bucks :p
2016-05-25 22:18 <icedwater> same for early bird and regular*
2016-05-25 22:19 <GIANT_CRAB> students will have to ask their school to pay, or suck it up and pay or watch engineers sg video
2016-05-25 22:20 <GIANT_CRAB> i think schools are quite willing to pay since pycon is well known and you know, sg government is pushing for "smart nation"
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2016-05-25 22:21 <GIANT_CRAB> " I should say that I'm pleased that it no longer smells like rotting meat, which presumably means that it is getting aired regularly."
2016-05-25 22:21 <icedwater> True, I suppose if they are local students the first could be arranged.
2016-05-25 22:22 <icedwater> The students I speak of are interns from overseas unis.
2016-05-25 22:23 <icedwater> At least there could be engineers.sg coverage
2016-05-25 23:20 <ponyfleisch> ntropy: yeah, i meant cloudflare. the problem is solved, i'm not sure i actually figured it out :)
2016-05-25 23:20 <Valentine> GIANT_CRAB: I didn't know polys will sponsor outright
2016-05-25 23:21 <GIANT_CRAB> Valentine: was in a club and the school had some spare monies. they sponsored in 2014 or something
2016-05-25 23:22 <GIANT_CRAB> 2015 was a no-go since I was the only one interested and budget wasn't very high. This year they should be buying tickets for us again as well
2016-05-25 23:22 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: mmmmm i see
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2016-05-28 08:49 <owen1> any good wiki with markdown support and ability to upload images by non-geeks?
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2016-05-28 11:37 <ntropy> anything with a wysiwyg editor will probably have an easy upload feature
2016-05-28 11:37 <ntropy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software might be useful
2016-05-28 11:37 <RotiPrata> [WIKIPEDIA] Comparison of wiki software | "The following tables compare general and technical information for a number of wiki software packages...."
2016-05-28 11:37 <ntropy> if you're gonna keep the wiki open (i.e. anyone can edit), take some time to implement anti-spam features
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2016-05-30 17:19 <tkd> hey, are there any recommended business ISPs in singapore? seems i know an office that is currently not really happy with theirs.
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2016-05-30 18:34 <Valentine> tkd: HSG is using M1 and it's pretty decent
2016-05-30 18:34 <Valentine> tkd: what's that office using?
2016-05-30 18:40 <tkd> Valentine: singtel i think
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2016-05-30 21:40 <ponyfleisch> tkd: i take it you settled your accomodation then? :)
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2016-05-30 22:46 <GIANT_CRAB> tkd PacNet (expensive as well), super internet (expensive), myrepublic is also fairly good
2016-05-30 22:52 <tkd> ponyfleisch: d'ohhhhh sorry, yes :(
2016-05-30 22:56 <tkd> hm, only way to get more than the 100/200Mbps seems to be via NGNBN. any way to test if a building has it?
2016-05-30 23:00 <GIANT_CRAB> tkd: see if there's a fiber box
2016-05-30 23:01 <GIANT_CRAB> if not possible, ask the office staff or something
2016-05-30 23:01 <tkd> netlinktrust.com seems to have a check
2016-05-30 23:05 <tkd> GIANT_CRAB: do you know roughly what pacnet quotes for high bw fibre lines?
2016-05-30 23:05 <GIANT_CRAB> how high? They're pretty expensive actually (but very good peering)
2016-05-30 23:05 <GIANT_CRAB> 100mbps could even go up to $500/monthly or so
2016-05-30 23:06 <tkd> welp, preferably significantly more than 200Mbps
2016-05-30 23:06 <GIANT_CRAB> might have decreased, email their SG and they can get back asap
2016-05-30 23:07 <GIANT_CRAB> tkd what's ur budget
2016-05-30 23:07 <GIANT_CRAB> most important question
2016-05-30 23:07 <tkd> don't really know, not me arranging this, only looking for leads on anything more cost effective than singtel
2016-05-30 23:08 <GIANT_CRAB> mmmmm, then I guess MyRepublic would be your best bet
2016-05-30 23:08 <GIANT_CRAB> they use pretty neat SDN stuff
2016-05-30 23:09 <GIANT_CRAB> overseas peering, singtel always win but myrepublic is cool too
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2016-05-31 00:31 <robertsky> tkd: for fibre broadband, generally anything above 200 is generally expensive for business internet line no matter which ISP you are approaching. Don't rule out superinternet, even though they have a crappy website (they are looking to revamp).
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2016-05-31 19:00 <Valentine> interesting: Broadwell's still being released http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores
2016-05-31 19:00 <RotiPrata> [ The Intel Broadwell-E Review: Core i7-6950X, i7-6900K, i7-6850K and i7-6800K Tested ] - www.anandtech.com
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2016-05-31 22:58 <icedwater> Whee, globalrichlist.com
2016-05-31 22:58 <icedwater> More of us are in the 1% than we think :p
2016-05-31 23:00 <icedwater> notthetup: late night IRC is bad for sleep cycles :p
2016-05-31 23:00 <icedwater> /ahem
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2016-06-03 08:31 <Alex> hendry: oooooooooooooooooold
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2016-06-05 02:00 <Valentine> hendry: are we missing some entries in Hack and Tell? http://sg.hackandtell.org/
2016-06-05 02:00 <RotiPrata> [ Singapore hack and tell ] - sg.hackandtell.org
2016-06-05 02:00 <Valentine> I'm trying to find that one of Meng talking about his postcode stuff
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2016-06-05 10:58 <hendry> Valentine: http://sg.hackandtell.org/2014-01-28/
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2016-06-05 17:50 <Valentine> noooooo hendry isn't hereeeeeeeeeee
2016-06-05 17:50 <Valentine> OMG
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2016-06-05 18:17 <Valentine> oh there you are hendry
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2016-06-05 18:17 <Valentine> hendry: I was reviewing Meng's presentation and it's scary how SLA still keeps its bloody data under monetarily lock and key
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2016-06-05 20:06 <hendry> Valentine: what SLA?
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2016-06-05 20:36 <Valentine> *monetary
2016-06-05 20:36 <Valentine> hendry: Singapore Land Authority
2016-06-05 21:28 <hendry> I made something in go! https://github.com/kaihendry/toc
2016-06-05 21:28 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - kaihendry/toc: Creates a Table Of Contents ] - github.com
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2016-06-05 23:37 <Valentine> hendry: are you still in contact with Zoltan?
2016-06-05 23:37 <Valentine> I should catch up with him, wonder how he's doing now
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2016-06-06 13:15 <GIANT_CRAB> Drama unfolding on Notch (Markus Persson)'s twitter page. He called out, "GNU is a virus and should die." https://twitter.com/notch/status/739681757985804288
2016-06-06 13:15 <RotiPrata> [ Markus Persson on Twitter: "(YESS! A new beehive to kick!!!!) No, I do not, and I openly mock people who do. GNU is a virus and should die. https://t.co/d6Bii7lNAF" ] - twitter.com
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2016-06-07 09:56 <github> [hackerspace.sg] rolandturner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vok8E
2016-06-07 09:56 <github> hackerspace.sg/master a33af3d Roland Turner: Making heading its own link
2016-06-07 09:57 <github> [hackerspace.sg] rolandturner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vok82
2016-06-07 09:57 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 9bdcbc0 Roland Turner: Href typo on making heading its own link
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2016-06-07 16:22 <icedwater> If I wanted to let someone else use an SSL cert I applied for (letsencrypt), what should I do?
2016-06-07 16:23 <icedwater> Send cert + public key as a tarball?
2016-06-07 16:24 <icedwater> I've given them SSH access to the machine where the key is on, should I just ask them to generate their own key for that cert?
2016-06-07 16:42 <hyperair> if it's the plaintext pem format you can just cat the certs and public key together
2016-06-07 16:42 <hyperair> what do you mean by "use" though?
2016-06-07 16:42 <hyperair> are you allowing someone else to verify your identity using that cert?
2016-06-07 16:42 <hyperair> or are you allowing someone else to assume that cert's identity?
2016-06-07 16:42 <hyperair> the latter would require a private key
2016-06-07 16:45 <icedwater> 1. it's pem, 2. I'm assuming so, because it's to work with an external API
2016-06-07 16:46 <icedwater> So I can just cat all the .pem together and get the colleague to install those keys on their server?
2016-06-07 17:06 <hyperair> yeah i think that ought to work
2016-06-07 18:11 <icedwater> hyperair: thanks
2016-06-07 18:29 <hyperair> yw
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2016-06-11 16:08 <hyperair> hendry: did you take back your archer c7?
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2016-06-11 20:25 <hendry> hyperair: ummmm, no i think it's still in my locker
2016-06-11 20:27 <hyperair> oh it's in your locker? i thought it might still be with the fossasia guys.
2016-06-11 20:27 <hyperair> hendry: ^
2016-06-11 20:29 <hendry> hyperair: i think it's still in my locker
2016-06-11 20:32 <hyperair> i lent it out to the fossasia guys after i debricked it.
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2016-06-14 01:50 <Valentine> anyone here watching WWDC on livestream?
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2016-06-14 18:08 <explore> hi
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2016-06-14 22:54 <explore> hi
2016-06-15 00:05 <icedwater> marcog: ping
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2016-06-15 16:04 <explore> hi
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2016-06-15 16:27 <ntropy> hey
2016-06-15 16:57 <explore> hi :)
2016-06-15 17:09 <ntropy> ok, i see where this is going ;)
2016-06-15 17:10 <explore> ?
2016-06-15 17:10 <explore> it’s bad to greet people on irc?
2016-06-15 17:15 <h1fuelcell> hello!
2016-06-15 17:15 <h1fuelcell> (okay I'm joining in just for fun)
2016-06-15 17:22 <explore> hi hifuelcell
2016-06-15 17:22 <explore> hi h1fuelcell
2016-06-15 17:42 <explore> h1fuelcell: are you into electric vehicles? is that why your nickname is fuel cell?
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2016-06-15 17:48 <explore> it’s a coincidence because i was just reading about Gogoro
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2016-06-15 18:39 <h1fuelcell> explore: nah, this nick was inspired a long time ago when I saw The Terminator pull out his Hydrogen fuel cell and throw it out the window :D
2016-06-15 18:40 <explore> h1fuelcell: ahhh
2016-06-15 18:40 <explore> i can’t believe i don’t remember that
2016-06-15 18:40 <explore> i love Terminator
2016-06-15 18:40 <h1fuelcell> Haha but I like electric vehicles too though - as in the fact that they exist
2016-06-15 18:40 <h1fuelcell> explore: Da dun dun du dun.
2016-06-15 18:41 <explore> we have appreciate good sci-fi
2016-06-15 18:41 <explore> not enough of good sci-fi
2016-06-15 18:41 <h1fuelcell> Most peoples' ideas about Sci are good Fi!
2016-06-15 18:41 <explore> i was just reading about Gogoro scooters, it’s a Made in Taiwan thing so I am proud of it, as I am a Taiwan resident
2016-06-15 18:42 <explore> I came back from Toronto after living there for a long time
2016-06-15 18:42 <explore> when I came back first thing i did was work three years for Foxconn in Zhengzhou and Shenzhen
2016-06-15 18:42 <explore> Shenzhen is across from Hong Kong, a special economic zone, in case you need reminding
2016-06-15 18:43 <explore> Zhengzhou is like the Chicago of China, right smack in the middle of China.
2016-06-15 18:43 <explore> all of the iPhone 6 are assembled in the Foxconn factory in Zhengzhou
2016-06-15 18:44 <h1fuelcell> I believe some dead bodies of depressed suicidal workers too!
2016-06-15 18:44 <h1fuelcell> Ahem ahem says the dude rocking an iphone
2016-06-15 18:44 <explore> when I was there I try to see into the factory worker’s lives, their living conditions
2016-06-15 18:44 <h1fuelcell> sorry I like my own jokes too much :|
2016-06-15 18:44 <explore> hehehe
2016-06-15 18:44 <h1fuelcell> ACTION is leaking debug information
2016-06-15 18:44 <explore> they squeeze eight workers into a single bedroom, on double-decker bunk beds
2016-06-15 18:44 <h1fuelcell> gotta setup that config flag to shut up more...
2016-06-15 18:45 <explore> there’s little to no space to store anything
2016-06-15 18:45 <h1fuelcell> explore: stop man I gotta have some desire left for the iP7 when it comes out :(
2016-06-15 18:45 <h1fuelcell> I know I'll buy it, I just want to feel less like an evil monster.
2016-06-15 18:45 <explore> they don’t have kitchens, just a shared shower/toilet
2016-06-15 18:45 <explore> so they have to eat at the company kitchen
2016-06-15 18:46 <explore> i ate together with them, i didn’t allow myself to eat better
2016-06-15 18:46 <h1fuelcell> explore: are they "allowed" to quit
2016-06-15 18:46 <explore> even though I worked in a start-up (it’s a Foxconn start-up) i try to live together with them
2016-06-15 18:46 <h1fuelcell> and can they leave/re-enter the premises when they like
2016-06-15 18:46 <explore> h1fuelcell: yes they can quit, and they can leave as they wish
2016-06-15 18:46 <h1fuelcell> Okay then
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> All that is still a better love story than.. QATAR
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> Haha
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> they guard the factories, they have fewer guards on their residence
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> h1fuelcell: oh are you from Qatar?
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> what’s that like?
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> No no, it was a lame twilight joke
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> ACTION is from India
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> ooooh sorry the joke flew over me
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> h1fuelcell: oh sweet :-)
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> "Still a better love story than Twilight"
2016-06-15 18:47 <explore> i would like to visit India someday
2016-06-15 18:47 <h1fuelcell> old meme
2016-06-15 18:48 <h1fuelcell> You ain't missing much
2016-06-15 18:48 <h1fuelcell> Unless you like documenting misery
2016-06-15 18:48 <h1fuelcell> It's STILL a better love story than... QATAR though.
2016-06-15 18:48 <explore> i am a big fan of the Father of Photojournalism Henri Bresson and Henri is a personal friend to Gandhi and Gandhi’s daughter
2016-06-15 18:48 <explore> Henri did a lot of photojournalism documenting India
2016-06-15 18:48 <h1fuelcell> My jokes are about the FIFA worker conditions
2016-06-15 18:49 <h1fuelcell> You know for a moment I thought you were saying your Father was a Great Friend of Gandhi
2016-06-15 18:49 <explore> I should plan a trip for India
2016-06-15 18:49 <h1fuelcell> and I was about to Nope the heck out of here
2016-06-15 18:49 <explore> h1fuelcell: lol :-)
2016-06-15 18:50 <h1fuelcell> explore: good luck! Make sure to read up a LOT on the history of the monuments
2016-06-15 18:50 <explore> okay i will
2016-06-15 18:50 <h1fuelcell> that ways you'll enjoy it more. otherwise it's a photo-op at some broken husk of what remains of the past
2016-06-15 18:50 <explore> h1fuelcell: http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2011/09/09/my-time-with-henri-cartier-bresson-by-ishu-patel/
2016-06-15 18:50 <RotiPrata> [ “My Time With Henri Cartier-Bresson” by Ishu Patel ] - erickimphotography.com
2016-06-15 18:51 <explore> I believe that the head of Foxconn wanted to open a factory in India as well
2016-06-15 18:51 <explore> Foxconn had some success with the Brazilian factory.
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> We already have oppressive factories thank you very much! :P
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> So these big factories down south import tons of illiterate labor from the North / Northeast
2016-06-15 18:52 <explore> Brazil would not let Foxconn/Apple sell apple goods (with low tax tariffs) unless Foxconn open a factory in Brazil.
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> and basically enslave them
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> it's foxconn, but with furnaces!
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> Cement and Steel factories
2016-06-15 18:52 <h1fuelcell> (journalists not allowed)
2016-06-15 18:52 <explore> I see.
2016-06-15 18:53 <h1fuelcell> If I didn't joke as much people would think I'm nothing but an API for bad news.
2016-06-15 18:53 <explore> I just read recently that India asked Apple to sell Apple goods if a certain percentages of the goods where made/designed in India.
2016-06-15 18:54 <explore> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/13/india-asking-for-commitment-on-manufacturing-before-approving-apple-stores
2016-06-15 18:54 <RotiPrata> [ India asking for commitment on manufacturing before approving Apple Stores ] - appleinsider.com
2016-06-15 18:55 <explore> h1fuelcell: I am thinking of buying an iPhone SE
2016-06-15 18:55 <explore> I have been an Android-phone user since my last iPhone (iPhone 3G)
2016-06-15 18:55 <h1fuelcell> I'd wait for the 7 to come out... unless you like this form factor specifically
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> iPhone 3G is ancient history, so I have been on Android for a long time. I am used to having my phones being inexpensive.
2016-06-15 18:56 <h1fuelcell> 7 seems like an amped up 6, but wihtout the annoying camera bump
2016-06-15 18:56 <h1fuelcell> so I say yes to that
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> h1fuelcell: when will the 7 come out?
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> September?
2016-06-15 18:56 <h1fuelcell> yeah something like that
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> April 2017?
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> oh September?
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> cool
2016-06-15 18:56 <explore> I think I can wait
2016-06-15 18:56 <h1fuelcell> No I'm expecting later this year based on rumor mills
2016-06-15 18:57 <explore> I am not in a huge hurry to buy a new phone.
2016-06-15 18:57 <explore> h1fuelcell: my only concern is that buying a flagship phone from Apple typically cost $700 or so unsubsidized
2016-06-15 18:58 <explore> whereas the iPhone SE is only about $500 for the 64GB edition
2016-06-15 18:58 <explore> i want to install an iPhone on my scooter like this http://lawrencehou.blogspot.tw/2016/06/mwupp.html
2016-06-15 18:58 <RotiPrata> [ 3C老實說 · 氣象部落客勞倫斯: [機車] [配件] 五匹 MWUPP 導航手機支架開箱:靈活好調整,機車出遊好工具 ] - lawrencehou.blogspot.tw
2016-06-15 19:00 <h1fuelcell> Permanently?
2016-06-15 19:01 <h1fuelcell> It will be stolen I think
2016-06-15 19:01 <h1fuelcell> Better use a cheap ass android for that...
2016-06-15 19:01 <explore> If I subscribe to an all-you-can-eat data plan, then I will set my iPhone to use Google Maps, if I subscribe to something low like 6.5GB a month data plan, then I will install a iOS GPS app (which will download all the maps for Taiwan).
2016-06-15 19:01 <explore> h1fuelcell: there’s no decent Android app for Taiwanese GPSing
2016-06-15 19:02 <explore> h1fuelcell: there’s two decent apps for iOS though
2016-06-15 19:02 <h1fuelcell> so you're saying... Apple maps is *better* than the competition
2016-06-15 19:02 <explore> that’s why I am going to buy an iPhone
2016-06-15 19:02 <h1fuelcell> In some contexts
2016-06-15 19:02 <h1fuelcell> dang, what has the world come to
2016-06-15 19:02 <explore> i am not going to use Apple’s maps.
2016-06-15 19:02 <h1fuelcell> explore: they've redesigned it for iOS10 though
2016-06-15 19:03 <h1fuelcell> wonder if it has started performing better; up until now G Maps is vastly superior for me
2016-06-15 19:03 <explore> It’s a third-party that makes the GPS app: #1 is Garmin, the app is called Garmin StreetPilot for Taiwan and the #2 app is called Papago
2016-06-15 19:03 <explore> h1fuelcell: Google Maps works on Android, you are right
2016-06-15 19:03 <h1fuelcell> No I use it on my iphone
2016-06-15 19:04 <h1fuelcell> it's perfect
2016-06-15 19:04 <explore> h1fuelcell: I have two special personal requirements from a GPS: #1 it can exclude highways / freeways because my scooter cannot go on highways/freeways
2016-06-15 19:04 <explore> #2 I want to be able to enter traditional chinese characters but with mainland chinese pinyin system.
2016-06-15 19:04 <explore> Google map currently doesn’t do #1
2016-06-15 19:05 <h1fuelcell> Ah okay
2016-06-15 19:05 <h1fuelcell> why must it "exclude" though
2016-06-15 19:05 <h1fuelcell> I mean if you don't need don't use it
2016-06-15 19:05 <h1fuelcell> none of the data will be donwloaded if you never go on a highway
2016-06-15 19:06 <explore> Google Map will route over freeways and highways
2016-06-15 19:06 <explore> but my scooter cannot go on these fast-speed roads
2016-06-15 19:06 <h1fuelcell> ah feck
2016-06-15 19:06 <explore> mind you I love Google Maps
2016-06-15 19:06 <h1fuelcell> having to choose an alternative route everytime must suck
2016-06-15 19:06 <explore> it’s just this one thing that makes it impossible to use with a scooter
2016-06-15 19:07 <h1fuelcell> isn't there some sort of setting?
2016-06-15 19:13 <explore> I am not sure. I will check.
2016-06-15 19:13 <explore> Look, if I can use Google Maps, I totally would! :-)
2016-06-15 19:14 <explore> good thing Google Maps works on both Android and iOS, so I don’t have to choose.
2016-06-15 19:15 <explore> Oh regarding your comment about the phone being stolen, I will remove the phone every time I park the scooter.
2016-06-15 19:15 <explore> I also add two wheel locks to my scooter.
2016-06-15 19:17 <explore> h1fuelcell: I also have more choices than Android/iOS. I can buy a real GPS device from Garmin or Trywin.
2016-06-15 19:18 <explore> These GPS devices, at least when in Taiwan, can handle #1 scooter/electric motorcycle routes (avoiding tolls/fast roads) and #2 allow pinyin input (at least with Garmin). The device I am thinking of right now is Garmin Nuvi 57. I think it has 1.5 hour of battery life.
2016-06-15 19:19 <explore> And they are inexpensive, at least in comparison with a flagship phone.
2016-06-15 19:20 <explore> The problem is that 1.5 hours of battery life is not good at all.
2016-06-15 19:20 <h1fuelcell> Nice
2016-06-15 19:20 <explore> There’s no perfect solution. You have to DIY something.
2016-06-15 19:21 <explore> I have to use a battery pack (like those that people use to charge phones) or connect the scooter’s power to the GPS.
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2016-06-17 03:30 <github> [hackerspace.sg] ThaiWood opened pull request #140: Update commercial co-working space link in FAQ (master...patch-1) https://git.io/voumE
2016-06-17 03:52 <github> [hackerspace.sg] valentine closed pull request #140: Update commercial co-working space link in FAQ (master...patch-1) https://git.io/voumE
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2016-06-21 21:03 <explore> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6-nCLeDsI
2016-06-21 21:03 <RotiPrata> [ Adele - Hello Parody (Hella Cravings) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2016-06-21 22:59 <icedwater> Anyone have a Windows 8 install disk I could borrow?
2016-06-21 22:59 <icedwater> g
2016-06-21 22:59 <icedwater> Need to recover a system.
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2016-06-22 09:19 <ntropy> icedwater: its not worth recovering :)
2016-06-22 11:17 <icedwater> ntropy: easy for you to say :)
2016-06-22 11:18 <icedwater> Non-IT question: anyone know a good plumber to recommend?
2016-06-22 11:24 <Lepak> <hyperair> kaodim.sg
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2016-06-22 11:37 <icedwater> hyperair: so you've used that several times to get things done, I suppose
2016-06-22 11:44 <Lepak> <hyperair> No I haven't, but it looks promising
2016-06-22 11:44 <Lepak> <hyperair> @icedwater: ^
2016-06-22 12:02 <explore> what does hyperair stand for?
2016-06-22 13:44 <hyperair> explore: you called?
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2016-06-22 15:58 <explore> nope
2016-06-22 16:32 <ntropy> so the Go meetup isn't happening in the hackerspace tomorrow?  http://www.meetup.com/golangsg/events/231503925/
2016-06-22 16:32 <RotiPrata> [ Gophers Meetup #16 - June 2016 - GoSG (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
2016-06-22 16:32 <ntropy> you folks need to update the hackerspace calendar
2016-06-22 17:13 <explore> where can you use the golang?
2016-06-22 17:13 <explore> can you use golang to write Android apps?
2016-06-22 17:16 <explore> ah, answer here https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Google-let-Golang-officially-support-native-Android-development-like-Swift
2016-06-22 17:16 <RotiPrata> [ Why doesn't Google let Golang officially support native Android development like Swift? - Quora ] - www.quora.com
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2016-06-28 10:54 <hendry> hypera1r: can you add this channel to https://botbot.me/ please?
2016-06-28 10:54 <RotiPrata> [ Awesome IRC logs by BotBot.me [o__o] ] - botbot.me
2016-06-28 11:11 <kushal> Good morning everyone
2016-06-28 11:21 <hendry> moin
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2016-06-28 11:28 <agnarus> hi
2016-06-28 11:38 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #141: Added our FB grp (master...master) https://git.io/vo54B
2016-06-28 11:39 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vo540
2016-06-28 11:39 <github> hackerspace.sg/master b83eacc Luther Goh: Added our FB grp
2016-06-28 11:39 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 76dd9b0 elfgoh: Merge pull request #141 from elfgoh/master...
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2016-06-28 12:05 <hypera1r> hendry: you're an op too you know
2016-06-28 12:08 <hendry> i can never remember all the chanserv stuff. argh
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2016-06-28 14:10 <hypera1r> i seem to recall filling that form before
2016-06-28 14:10 <hypera1r> i don't know why it's still not listed
2016-06-28 14:10 <hypera1r> they said it's a manual process. do they even have people processing the queue of requests?
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2016-06-28 17:14 <tkd> sooo, now that i'm finally in SG, when's a good time to drop by?:)
2016-06-28 17:15 <explore> tkd: oh cool
2016-06-28 17:15 <explore> tkd: may i ask where you are from?
2016-06-28 17:15 <tkd> Poland, originally
2016-06-28 17:16 <explore> how are you able to find work in SG? is it because you have a degree in comp sci?
2016-06-28 17:19 <tkd> hmm, i have a BA in compsci (never finished masters) so that probably helps. also 2y working at big company before and another … i guess 2? doing random small jobs.
2016-06-28 17:20 <explore> that’s pretty sweet man :-)
2016-06-28 17:20 <explore> i hope you make a nice chunk of change
2016-06-28 17:22 <explore> tkd: what sort of specialization or theory did you focus on during your master’s study?
2016-06-28 17:22 <explore> was it fun?
2016-06-28 17:22 <tkd> heh, we'll see a few months in, payroll on paper is never quite indicative of how much you can comfortably afford
2016-06-28 17:22 <explore> <nods> <smile>
2016-06-28 17:24 <tkd> hmm, i don't think uni was much fun really - it was a very theoretic university, so we did all sorts of reasonably high-difficulty complexity theory, algorithmics, logic stuff, but not much directly applicable to real work
2016-06-28 17:24 <tkd> i mean, sure, you need to understand at least the basics of complexity to know your way around code but you don't need theorems on how some logic system is equivalent to an idealized version of SQL
2016-06-28 17:25 <explore> is there anything you learned in school that you hope you’ll get a chance to implement in the real world?
2016-06-28 17:26 <tkd> so really i don't think particulars of what you do in uni have to matter much, as long as you get a lot of exposure to rationally approaching problems. most of the stuff i enjoyed i did outside of both school and work
2016-06-28 17:28 <tkd> not really, lol. most of what they taught at uni was either outdated rather a lot, or very theoretical = also not directly applicable. it's surprising how much shitty algorithms and design practices you can and need to get away when you're on the clock and can throw more resources at
2016-06-28 17:28 <tkd> (programmer time is v. often more expensive than, say, another vps instance or a couple, but product needs to arrive on time, or whatever)
2016-06-28 17:29 <tkd> i take it you're still studying?:)
2016-06-28 17:29 <explore> tkd: i deviated from my comp sci studies in 1998
2016-06-28 17:29 <explore> i went and study printing management and english literature
2016-06-28 17:30 <explore> tkd: if i have time, perhaps i should go ahead and finish comp sci
2016-06-28 17:30 <explore> my main interest would probably about building scalable solutions
2016-06-28 17:30 <tkd> oh ok:D was surprised by your interest since most people i hang out with barely bothered to finish a BA (if even that) and are doing very much ok
2016-06-28 17:31 <explore> tkd: i stopped my comp sci because many people urged me to enter the job market, there was a bubble then
2016-06-28 17:31 <tkd> as there is now i guess?
2016-06-28 17:31 <explore> i don’t know, do you think we have a bubble now?
2016-06-28 17:31 <explore> people say in terms of ‘big data’ there IS a bubble
2016-06-28 17:34 <tkd> US valuations got stupid inflated, snapchat raised like 2B cash on <100M revenue
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2016-06-28 17:36 <explore> let’s chat some more, i have to go for dinner
2016-06-28 17:37 <explore> cheers and hope you’ll enjoy Hackerspace :-)
2016-06-28 17:37 <tkd> and i should be working still, hehe. but i'll come round to the hackerspace some time this week definitely
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2016-06-28 20:56 <ntropy> tkd: welcome to sg!
2016-06-28 20:56 <ntropy> where did you end up working, if you don't mind sharing?
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2016-06-29 01:41 <icedwater> Also deep learning...
2016-06-29 01:42 <icedwater> ...it's tied to the big data bubble
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2016-06-29 15:47 <marcog> hi guys, any suggestions on how to send 10 GB of data to someone else?
2016-06-29 15:50 <hypera1r> host it yourself
2016-06-29 15:50 <hypera1r> sftp, https, whatever works
2016-06-29 15:54 <marcog> yup, that's currently the option I'm considering
2016-06-29 16:02 <explore> usb key
2016-06-29 16:06 <marcog> through the internet, we're not in the same place
2016-06-29 16:07 <explore> you can ground the usb key into a fine powder
2016-06-29 16:08 <explore> and then pour the powder over the port of an ethernet cable
2016-06-29 16:09 <marcog> I have my concerns about that method though, not sure the integrity of the data is ensured
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2016-06-29 16:28 <hypera1r> marcog: is the data sensitive?
2016-06-29 16:30 <tkd> 10GB is not *that* much after all (few hours of uplink even on residential connections here, right?), i'd be most worried about intermittent link losses… encrypt and torrent it up?:D
2016-06-29 16:30 <hypera1r> hours?
2016-06-29 16:31 <hypera1r> i think it's less than an hour over hsg's connection
2016-06-29 16:32 <tkd> yeah, hours assuming shitty wifi or whatever for total uplink of a few Mbps, in hsg i assume would be muuuch faster
2016-06-29 16:33 <tkd> so if you have enough uplink to survive a retry or two in the worst-worst case of something plopping out (which it legitimately may), ssh+tar will totally get you sorted… if you have really flaky links it sucks for retries though
2016-06-29 16:33 <hypera1r> heh okay
2016-06-29 16:33 <hypera1r> well, tar + rsync+ssh would work too
2016-06-29 16:34 <hypera1r> moreover rsync has --partial which allows resumes
2016-06-29 16:35 <tkd> yeah rsync would be better and covers retry but requires installation on both ends, right? whereas ssh+tar is basically on every single box. installation is trivial for sure but you still need to do it → assuming 20Mbps+ of uplink i'd just tar unless i want to read the rsync manpage again:D
2016-06-29 16:36 <hypera1r> oh i just use my usual invocation
2016-06-29 16:36 <hypera1r> rsync -Pavz
2016-06-29 16:36 <hypera1r> perhaps with --inplace
2016-06-29 16:40 <marcog> hypera1r: data is not sensitive
2016-06-29 16:40 <marcog> rsync might be a solution, yes
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2016-06-29 17:08 <tkd> hm, hate to be asking the newbiest questions, but can someone confirm how dbs debit cards work? they apparently have nets flashpay integrated, but it's not directly hooked up to the acct, right? like, i need to top it up (possibly GIRO ATU) if i want to use it as mrt card, yeah?
2016-06-29 17:12 <hypera1r> i don't know about DBS, but OCBC ones have a separate balance that needs funds to be transferred in via the web interface
2016-06-29 17:16 <tkd> ah, haven't found anything in the web interface, but i tapped it on the nfc flashpay app - it says $0 and allows setting everything (like top up) up
2016-06-29 17:17 <tkd> what really confuses the shit out of me is that i paid today using this card as - apparently - NETS and that worked fine. but not NETS FlashPay, so seems like these two are entirely separate, hehe
2016-06-29 17:19 <ponyfleisch> meh, just use paywave
2016-06-29 17:20 <hypera1r> tkd: yeah nets flashpay uses a separate balance from nets. i think nets just draws out of your primary account
2016-06-29 17:20 <tkd> ponyfleisch: where i can, sure. but with this i can ditch the separate mrt card and also use contactless in all the places that don't do paywave yet
2016-06-29 17:21 <hypera1r> ACTION sees the whole contactless payments thing as a huge security hole
2016-06-29 17:21 <tkd> hypera1r is kinda right
2016-06-29 17:21 <hypera1r> credit cards are unsecure enough even without taking this into consideration
2016-06-29 17:22 <tkd> paywave is actually just CCID over NFC so it's as good as what your bank allows (downgrade attacks are pretty much the only thing that has worked against this so far)
2016-06-29 17:22 <hypera1r> ACTION doesn't know what CCID is
2016-06-29 17:22 <tkd> …but downgrade attacks worked reaaally well so far and then there's the skimmer over your pocket thing
2016-06-29 17:23 <tkd> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCID_(protocol) this thing
2016-06-29 17:23 <RotiPrata> [WIKIPEDIA] CCID (protocol) | "CCID (chip card interface device) protocol is a USB protocol that allows a smartcard to be connected to a computer via a card reader using a standard USB interface, without the need for each manufacturer of smartcards to provide its own reader or protocol. This allows the smartcard to be used as a security..."
2016-06-29 17:23 <hypera1r> yeah the skimmer over your pocket especially
2016-06-29 17:23 <tkd> (i think at least, conceptually) - buddy worked for mastercard and told me this is really goddamn robust, as long as you bother to actually enable the security features and don't mess up the other interfaces
2016-06-29 17:24 <hypera1r> hang on, what security features
2016-06-29 17:24 <hypera1r> afaik that 2FA thing isn't even mandatory
2016-06-29 17:24 <tkd> the skimmer over pocket thing could be solved really damn easily by adding a button to physically connect the induction loop, but no! let's instead do R&D in crap like cards with lcds :>
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2016-06-29 17:25 <hypera1r> with some merchants i get the 2FA sms, with some others i don't, and there's of course, also some sites that just charge you without the need for even the CVV number
2016-06-29 17:25 <tkd> you won't get anything about security from the CCID side of things - it's just a basic protocol - but these smartcards do pretty good crypto
2016-06-29 17:26 <hypera1r> okay, i guess we've solved the mitm issue, but that doesn't prevent some random dude with a merchant account from using one of those wireless paywave machines
2016-06-29 17:26 <tkd> so assuming your bank knows what they're doing, it's borderline impossible to clone your card, so only the skimmer over pocket case remains, and i very much doubt you can have an untraceable skimmer and have banks approve transactions it requests
2016-06-29 17:26 <hypera1r> yeah it won't be untraceable
2016-06-29 17:27 <tkd> flashpay is probably a lot more cloneable just by virtue of being older tech
2016-06-29 17:28 <tkd> …so we're somewhere at the question of 'do we allow offline paywave transactions'
2016-06-29 17:28 <tkd> which we sure as hell shouldn't, but probably many banks do
2016-06-29 17:29 <tkd> (sure, you can get skimmed online, but then there is rather a ton of metadata available to track down the terminal)
2016-06-29 17:30 <hypera1r> at some point, technology's going to evolve to the point where paywave gets used for online transactions using some device hooked up to your phone or other. then you get to purchase things online and skim someone else's card to pay for it
2016-06-29 17:30 <hypera1r> i mean just touch it on someone's pocket while you're paying for said thing
2016-06-29 17:30 <tkd> device hooked up to your phone like android/apple pay already are?
2016-06-29 17:31 <hypera1r> the difference is that the money in your android/apple pay account is yours
2016-06-29 17:31 <tkd> and yeah you just described one of the earliest really damn successful attacks against paywave :) you have one guy at a terminal and another with an antenna, connected by cable, in another room
2016-06-29 17:32 <hypera1r> lol
2016-06-29 17:32 <hypera1r> nice
2016-06-29 17:32 <tkd> i seem to recall there was a very small distance this could work over though
2016-06-29 17:32 <tkd> like 10-15m
2016-06-29 17:32 <hypera1r> right
2016-06-29 17:32 <hypera1r> i'm sure you could get really close to the victim on a train thouhg
2016-06-29 17:33 <tkd> oh yeah, but the point there was - to be "legit" this was using an actually legit physical terminal, just physically subverting the communication by applying a, hrm, spatial offset :)
2016-06-29 17:34 <tkd> otherwise we're not improving over the random dude with a merchant account attack
2016-06-29 17:35 <tkd> the way it was related to me was basically you buy a monthly ticket at a vending machine and get somebody passing by to donate their paywave to pay for it
2016-06-29 17:35 <hypera1r> ah, like that
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> you know in petrol stations they have those portable terminals?
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> the wireless ones
2016-06-29 17:36 <tkd> not really, hehe
2016-06-29 17:36 <tkd> i mean, don't know
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> well, now you do
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> someone was carrying one of those on some train some day
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> there was a photo circulating on facebook
2016-06-29 17:36 <hypera1r> i don't know how much of it was true
2016-06-29 17:38 <ponyfleisch> oh, AWS EFS in ireland now
2016-06-29 17:38 <ponyfleisch> i need frankfurt and singapore though
2016-06-29 17:38 <ponyfleisch> Alex: make it happen, boy.
2016-06-29 17:42 <tkd> hypera1r: oh yeah, saw that photo
2016-06-29 17:42 <tkd> attributed to at least two cities, but still a great illustration :)
2016-06-29 18:12 <ponyfleisch> Alex: and why the fuck is EFS 10x as expensive as S3?
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2016-06-30 01:59 <Valentine> ponyfleisch: aren't you supposed to be comparing EFS with EBS
2016-06-30 04:43 <ponyfleisch> Valentine: and EFS is much more expensive than that too!
2016-06-30 04:49 <Valentine> ponyfleisch: looks like multi-file performance is its selling point https://aws.amazon.com/efs/faq/#scale
2016-06-30 04:49 <RotiPrata> [ Frequently Asked Questions - Amazon Elastic File System - AWS ] - aws.amazon.com
2016-06-30 05:04 <ponyfleisch> well, anyway, it's a good motivation to move this project towards S3.
2016-06-30 05:04 <ponyfleisch> but efs is perfect for what i want (for two different projects, actually) and i'm surprised it took so long for it to come into existence :)
2016-06-30 05:05 <ponyfleisch> the european project i will just move to ireland i think.
2016-06-30 05:12 <Valentine> was wondering why you're up and I remembered you're on a mountain somewhere
2016-06-30 05:12 <Valentine> or guarded by one anyway
2016-06-30 05:13 <Valentine> if performance isn't an issue you could just setup an SMB/NFS share I think, or use some s3fs mount
2016-06-30 05:13 <Valentine> oh this explanation is cool https://www.quora.com/How-does-Amazon-EFS-differ-from-Amazon-S3
2016-06-30 05:13 <RotiPrata> [ How does Amazon EFS differ from Amazon S3? - Quora ] - www.quora.com
2016-06-30 05:14 <Valentine> > While at first glance WordPress may seem like a simple application to run in the cloud, a scale out version, or autoscaling version requires a common set of files and content. While there are ways to work-awork-around using an NFS mount to achieve this, EFS should make this straightforward.
2016-06-30 05:14 <Valentine> yeah ok that's kinda cool
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2016-06-30 09:35 <hendry> hypera1r: what's your favourite Android device nowadays?
2016-06-30 09:36 <Lepak> <hyperair> I only have one and it's a HTC one m9. I recommend getting a nexus instead.
2016-06-30 09:38 <hendry> the nexus 6P doesn't seem available in Singapore
2016-06-30 09:38 <hendry> ok, maybe it is http://www.lazada.sg/nexus-6p/
2016-06-30 09:38 <RotiPrata> [ Experience the Brand New Nexus 6P | Exquisite & Powerful | Lazada.sg ] - www.lazada.sg
2016-06-30 09:38 <hendry> but i need something cheaper for my helper
2016-06-30 09:38 <hendry> anything decent on the 500SGD mark ?
2016-06-30 09:39 <Lepak> <hyperair> No idea. Maybe a xiaomi?
2016-06-30 09:50 <hendry> Valentine: how much does it cost in SIM LIM to replace a iPhone 4S battery
2016-06-30 09:56 <hendry> hypera1r: what are you chatting from btw? have you given up on IRC? ;)
2016-06-30 10:09 <Lepak> <hyperair> Phone. I don't use phone irc clients, and I don't trust my phone to hold my ssh key.
2016-06-30 10:52 <icedwater> Air-gap your phone
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2016-06-30 11:34 <Alex> ponyfleisch: It's really not that expensive
2016-06-30 12:40 <explore> icedwater: how do you air-gap?
2016-06-30 12:40 <explore> what’s the brand name of the technology
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2016-06-30 15:46 <hendry> wth, with slack does have to have a new tab for every org ?!
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2016-06-30 16:37 <ponyfleisch> Alex: 1 TB of data is 300 USD a month. that's not expensive? :)
2016-06-30 16:37 <explore> Wow living in Shenzhen is expensive: http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2016-06/30/content_3560426.htm
2016-06-30 16:37 <RotiPrata> [ Average home rent drops by 9.2% in 2nd quarter---szdaily多媒体数字报刊平台 ] - szdaily.sznews.com
2016-06-30 16:38 <explore> RMB$4615/mo for an apartment with reasonably good area (close to transportation)
2016-06-30 16:38 <explore> USD$694.52
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2016-06-30 17:26 <tkd> hypera1r: did my first paywave transaction, looks like it was online (latency was ~10-15s and got a text immediately after). so yay for SG banking, hehe
2016-06-30 18:28 <Alex> ponyfleisch: I bet you $50 that the majority of users use it for no more than about 10GB :)
2016-06-30 18:28 <Alex> I think the biggest use case for most people is going to be "share web files between webservers"
2016-06-30 18:28 <Alex> The big use cases - let's say 1TB would be something like raw video editing - 300 _isn't_ expensive, especially given the MB/s performance you're getting
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2016-06-30 20:25 <ponyfleisch> Alex: nah, 1TB could just be a legacy platform with tons of content. e-commerce with magento and lots of high res product pics..
2016-06-30 20:25 <ponyfleisch> Alex: or a huge cms installation, of say, a couple of newspapers, with tons of article pages
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2016-06-30 20:27 <ponyfleisch> but i think for both projects i'm talking about now i'm only at around 100GB.
2016-06-30 20:28 <ponyfleisch> so yeah, that's okay
2016-06-30 20:46 <hypera1r> tkd: nice
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2016-06-30 23:36 <tkd> hypera1r: …although that might've just been the first one, didn't get a text for supermarket shopping today. still took about as long as i'd expect from online processing though.
2016-07-01 00:16 <icedwater> explore: that was a bad troll, for which i shall not apologise. hypera1r rightly ignored it :)
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2016-07-01 09:50 <Alex> ponyfleisch: a fair call, but some might say in those cases they should be in S3. I know, I know: magento :)
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2016-07-04 14:01 <tkd> anybody planning to be in hsg this evening? was thinking maybe i'd drop in after work
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2016-07-04 15:37 <ruiwen> hey guys, anyone have experience setting up a kubernetes cluster on azure?
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2016-07-04 19:00 <tkd> alright then, i could head over to hsg soon if there's anybody there. is there? or is there always but not on irc?
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2016-07-04 22:19 <GIANT_CRAB> ruiwen: I think you might wanna try setting up openshift cluster instead because there's more tutorials on that
2016-07-04 22:20 <GIANT_CRAB> there's also a demo setup done by microsoft (i think)
2016-07-04 22:21 <GIANT_CRAB> https://github.com/derdanu/azure-openshift
2016-07-04 22:21 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - derdanu/azure-openshift: RedHat Openshift Origin cluster on Azure ] - github.com
2016-07-04 22:22 <GIANT_CRAB> that's done by some guy from microsoft
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2016-07-05 00:35 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #142: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUvI
2016-07-05 01:13 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh closed pull request #142: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUvI
2016-07-05 01:51 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #143: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUIk
2016-07-05 01:51 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh reopened pull request #143: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUIk
2016-07-05 01:52 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh closed pull request #143: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUIk
2016-07-05 01:54 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #144: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUIZ
2016-07-05 02:50 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #145: Adding images to enhance the site (master...img_add) https://git.io/vKUm3
2016-07-05 02:57 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh closed pull request #145: Adding images to enhance the site (master...img_add) https://git.io/vKUm3
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2016-07-05 11:41 <tkd> hmmm, anybody had issues with efivars in ubuntu 16.04? i'm re-bootstrapping another distro on my work laptop and trying to get efistub boot to work. i messed up the kernel line, happens, get the traditional vfs panic for unknown root… but i did this setup from inside the ubuntu livecd (from chroot) and now after reboot efibootmgr just clonks saying EFI variables not supported
2016-07-05 11:41 <tkd> (confirmed there's no /sys/firmware/efi)
2016-07-05 11:43 <tkd> …welp, dumb me, turns out you only get efivars if you boot efi (and the ubuntu liveusb can do either legacy or uefi, chose the wrong one in the boot menu:) )
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2016-07-05 12:17 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh closed pull request #144: Updating new tier names and descriptions (master...master) https://git.io/vKUIZ
2016-07-05 12:27 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh opened pull request #146: Adding images to enhance the site (master...img_add) https://git.io/vKUoM
2016-07-05 12:27 <github> [hackerspace.sg] elfgoh pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKUoy
2016-07-05 12:27 <github> hackerspace.sg/master d4536e5 Luther Goh: Adding a note that the contributors' page is currently WIP
2016-07-05 12:27 <github> hackerspace.sg/master f29482d Luther Goh: Adding images to make the site look easier on the eyes when there is too much text
2016-07-05 12:27 <github> hackerspace.sg/master e99b75f elfgoh: Merge pull request #146 from elfgoh/img_add...
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2016-07-05 16:01 <tkd> any malls recommended for computer accessories? heard funan used to be good but now it closed, so i guess that leaves sim lim and maybe mustafa…?
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2016-07-05 17:34 <ntropy> define accessories, i think mustafa is mostly full of cheap iphone chargers, headphones and usb-anything
2016-07-05 17:35 <ntropy> sim lim is the best place i know for computer stuff
2016-07-05 17:38 <tkd> i was thinking decent mouse, possibly some RAM, so sounds more like sim lim
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2016-07-05 19:01 <ponyfleisch> Alex: elastic beanstalk seems a bit under-documented. or the documentation is just too chaotic.
2016-07-05 19:38 <ponyfleisch> it's like heroku minus the "it just works" :)
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2016-07-05 23:33 <ntropy> tkd: let me know if you come across any trackballs in sim lim, i
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2016-07-05 23:33 <ntropy> i mean, i'd like to get one
2016-07-05 23:36 <ntropy> there's a pretty cool shop on the periphery on one of the higher floors that sell old used enterprise network gear (like cisco 6500) and massive 5U servers with scsi disks
2016-07-05 23:37 <ntropy> can't possibly imagine anyone buying those, they're charging quite a lot too
2016-07-06 00:20 <ponyfleisch> has anyone ever used beanstalk successfully? :)
2016-07-06 00:20 <ponyfleisch> POS
2016-07-06 00:36 <gaqzi> ponyfleisch: me, me, I have!
2016-07-06 00:37 <gaqzi> ponyfleisch: it drove me to ECS :P
2016-07-06 00:39 <ponyfleisch> yeah. fuck. that's what i should be doing :)
2016-07-06 01:04 <ponyfleisch> ah it works now. more or less. woo.
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2016-07-06 10:36 <tkd> ntropy: hah, you'd be surprised unless haggling is no-no, i have friends who buy rack-mountable ciscos and quantas for shits and giggles and build home networks out of these.
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2016-07-06 14:28 <Alex> ponyfleisch: Heh, anything in particular?
2016-07-06 14:28 <Alex> EB is pretty straightforward - but I know some of the ebextensions stuff can be a bit tricky
2016-07-06 14:29 <GIANT_CRAB> alex thinking of going for a AWS cert as SA associate architect, yay or nay? Anything i should look at before taking it?
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2016-07-06 18:10 <explore> GIANT_CRAB: seriously, just go for it
2016-07-06 18:11 <explore> GIANT_CRAB: certifications are good for helping to make sure you have no blind spots in terms of knowledge about a specific topic
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2016-07-07 08:50 <Alex> GIANT_CRAB: Oh, cool. They're good to do - and having done all 5, I can say the SA ones are probably most generalist and most useful
2016-07-07 08:50 <Alex> Although my "favourite", if you can say that, is the DevOps Pro.
2016-07-07 08:51 <Alex> Hardware-ish people. I'm debating buying one of these: http://www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopters/pp_363299.html - but I'd really like to live stream the video from the camera (over WiFi I guess).
2016-07-07 08:51 <RotiPrata> [ XIAOMI Mi Drone 4K WIFI FPV Quadcopter-535.25 | GearBest.com ] - www.gearbest.com
2016-07-07 08:51 <Alex> How difficult is that likely to be
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2016-07-07 11:32 <marcog> Alex: I believe live streaming the video from the camera over WiFi should'nt be a problem
2016-07-07 11:34 <marcog> Alex: I don't know about that particular model but I am working with the cheaper ardrone from parrot and it does the job
2016-07-07 11:37 <Alex> marcog: Does the parrot do streaming natively, or does it need some hacking?
2016-07-07 11:52 <marcog> Alex: you should be able to access the camera images through their API
2016-07-07 11:54 <marcog> Alex: I personally use ROS (http://www.ros.org/) to manage the drone and I access the sensors, actuators and images data through the ros driver node
2016-07-07 11:54 <RotiPrata> [ ROS.org | Page not found ] - www.ros.org
2016-07-07 12:01 <Alex> Ooh, I see.
2016-07-07 12:01 <Alex> My plan is to do a presentation where I live-edit 4K video from a drone that's flying around a room
2016-07-07 12:02 <Alex> So I ideally need something where I can get the raw video stream straight off over WiFi
2016-07-07 12:02 <Alex> I'll have a look at the ros stuff
2016-07-07 12:02 <Alex> The big problem I reckon will be finding 4K
2016-07-07 12:02 <Alex> hence why I was interested in that xiaomi (or even a dji phantom 3 pro...)
2016-07-07 12:02 <Alex> Thanks marcog !
2016-07-07 12:04 <marcog> I agree on that, 4K might be a problem
2016-07-07 12:04 <marcog> if its a simple demo I wouldn't get into ros, might be too much
2016-07-07 12:05 <Alex> Tbh the big focus is on the 4k processing side, I could just use a static 4k camera
2016-07-07 12:05 <Alex> But... I want a reason to buy a drone
2016-07-07 12:05 <marcog> just try to find the right drone with the right vendor provided API and you'll save time
2016-07-07 12:06 <marcog> I see, hehe
2016-07-07 12:09 <Alex> also I think it's more compelling that way. Maybe two drones and I can splice the footage near-linear
2016-07-07 12:12 <marcog> that might require a long testing work on calibration, and I wouldn't rely on the stability of the drones
2016-07-07 12:14 <Alex> I don't mean for 3d, I just mean to do camera switching real time
2016-07-07 12:14 <Alex> Anyway I haven't worked it out yet. This is all just...crazy idea stage :)
2016-07-07 12:19 <marcog> oh ok, looks like a cool presentation though, good luck with it! ;)
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2016-07-07 16:09 <marcog> ~.
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2016-07-09 10:48 <Alex> Anyone know where I can buy ANT kit in Singapore? (The Garmin stuff)
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2016-07-10 20:34 <hendry> hypera1r: i'm in the market for headphones... guess i need leather pads https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/750625603775238144
2016-07-10 20:34 <RotiPrata> [ Kai Hendry on Twitter: "1 year old @sony MDR-ZX110NA headphones are falling apart. Guess Sony != quality anymore 😫 https://t.co/ui3Uctho4p" ] - twitter.com
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2016-07-10 22:15 <hypera1r> hendry: i'm only partial to ath-m50
2016-07-10 22:25 <hendry> ideally i need one with a microphone.. all USB
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2016-07-11 00:53 <hypera1r> hendry: no recommendations from me then
2016-07-11 00:53 <hypera1r> afaik there aren't any headphones worth listening to that have microphones in them
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2016-07-12 10:06 <Alex> Does the slackbot still exist / work here?
2016-07-12 10:08 <Alex> Also: follow up question, recommendations for 4K video cameras which can do live capture?
2016-07-12 10:20 <hendry> Alex: i *think* the Panasonic GH4 is the goto camera for 4K
2016-07-12 10:20 <hendry> not 100% sure how good it's live capture is
2016-07-12 10:21 <Alex> hendry: ta. I only need it for live capture, but will have a look
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2016-07-12 10:47 <tkd> do you guys know how much the fuwell pricelist ( http://www.fuwell.com.sg/uploads/misc/Fuwell090716.pdf ) differs from what i'd pay if i went there? says nett so I guess +7% GST, but is it otherwise reliable?
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2016-07-12 11:49 <hypera1r> i don't see why it wouldn't match
2016-07-12 11:49 <hypera1r> unless it's really outdated or something
2016-07-12 11:49 <hypera1r> if there's a discrepancy, show them the pricelist and complain?
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2016-07-13 18:21 <tkd> looks like the prototyping lab @ NDC is running a 'maker apprenticeship info session' next week, whatever that possibly means, free registration but short on details. i'll probably go to see what kit they have and what those words even mean:D anybody else registered?
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2016-07-13 21:36 <ntropy> got a link?  might be interesting
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2016-07-13 23:47 <tkd> ntropy: http://onemakergroup.sg/join-our-space/ which links to https://www.eventbrite.sg/e/maker-apprenticeship-programme-info-session-tickets-26497865830 so not a whole lot of info. they also seem to be running paid workshops, but don't know yet if there's a notion of 'membership'. suppose that's what the meeting's for.
2016-07-13 23:47 <RotiPrata> [ Join Our Space | OneMaker Group Pte. Ltd. ] - onemakergroup.sg
2016-07-13 23:47 <RotiPrata> [ Maker Apprenticeship Programme Info Session Tickets, Wed, 20 Jul, 2016 at 7:30 PM | Eventbrite ] - www.eventbrite.sg
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2016-07-14 02:49 <Valentine> ping Alex on the OneMakerGroup apprenticeship thing
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2016-07-14 07:36 <Alex> blajksdf?
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2016-07-14 10:15 <hendry> this will be interesting when it comes to London or Singapore for me https://www.digitalocean.com/company/blog/block-storage-more-space-to-scale/
2016-07-14 10:15 <RotiPrata> [ Block Storage: More Space to Scale | DigitalOcean ] - www.digitalocean.com
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2016-07-14 10:39 <tkd> Alex: Valentine suggested pinging you re: onemakergroup apprenticeship - are you in 1maker or does he think you're interested in going to the info session?
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2016-07-14 11:47 <ntropy> tkd: thanks, i signed up as well
2016-07-14 11:48 <ntropy> Alex: ping, are / how are you involved in this onemakergroup apprenticeship?
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2016-07-14 12:13 <Alex> I'm not, my girlfriend was doing an apprenticeship there, however.
2016-07-14 12:41 <tkd> Alex: do you know how this works? i.e. is there some way to get a 'you get to use their tools for personal stuff' status?
2016-07-14 13:06 <stuttermilk> tkd: you can get it by joining the apprenticeship programme (<=> sweeping the floor/taking out the trash/helping out around the space)
2016-07-14 13:08 <tkd> stuttermilk: ah, and i guess the meeting next week explains that in detail and will likely help establish how much time that would cost:)
2016-07-14 13:13 <stuttermilk> Yeah, that's pretty much how the last info session went. If it helps, we were asked to be at the lab 2 full days/week, on top of the weekly training sessions
2016-07-14 13:14 <tkd> uh that's a bit infeasible unless temporary for most people :(
2016-07-14 13:15 <tkd> really difficult even if weekends acceptable
2016-07-14 13:16 <stuttermilk> Yeah, it helped that I'm super unemployed :D
2016-07-14 13:16 <stuttermilk> I know a couple of people who did it while juggling full time jobs but it was pretty hectic for them
2016-07-14 13:17 <tkd> is it 2 days / week to maintain access or just for bring-up?
2016-07-14 13:18 <stuttermilk> The program's likely to be 3-4 months long - you'll definitely have full access then
2016-07-14 13:18 <stuttermilk> Beyond that, I think they're pretty happy to let you continue using the machines as long as you don't abuse it
2016-07-14 13:22 <tkd> i'm mostly interested in what i can learn (i was "around" in warsaw when people were machining things on a manual lathe and mills but never got in-depth training) and what CNC kit they have
2016-07-14 13:23 <tkd> if it's a modela or something small like that, 3 months is not worth it, but if they have some proper heavy-duty kit, maaaaybe :)
2016-07-14 13:26 <stuttermilk> Mostly smallish stuff for prototyping - we did woodworking plus some stuff with the laser cutter and CNC
2016-07-14 13:26 <stuttermilk> XPC may be more in line with what you're after
2016-07-14 13:29 <tkd> seems XPC does free tours on weekends, will probably check them out too
2016-07-14 13:31 <stuttermilk> XPC is super cool - just be prepared to sweat out half your body weight :D
2016-07-14 13:39 <tkd> no aircon or people welding all the time or both?
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2016-07-16 17:53 <tkd> stuttermilk: confirmed XPC is indeed super cool
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2016-07-17 17:33 <hyperair> does azure reset the SSH host key when a server is restarted?
2016-07-17 17:54 <hendry> hyperair: did you go to school at NTU?
2016-07-17 17:55 <hyperair> hendry: yes i did
2016-07-17 17:57 <hendry> hyperair: someone at NTU is asking me about setting up a Hackerspace there
2016-07-17 17:58 <hendry> hyperair: are you willing to contribute to the conversation?
2016-07-17 17:58 <hendry> (that sounded weird)
2016-07-17 18:01 <hyperair> lol
2016-07-17 18:01 <hyperair> waht kind of conversation?
2016-07-17 18:02 <hyperair> if it involves phone calls or getting out of my seat, the answer is no
2016-07-17 18:02 <hendry> i think it's email but the guy suggested having a f2f in NTU
2016-07-17 18:03 <hendry> maybe we can convince them to come to HSG, but then I can't help but feel they might be uninspirated ... ha ha
2016-07-17 18:03 <hyperair> f2f?
2016-07-17 18:03 <hyperair> uninspired you mean?
2016-07-17 18:03 <hyperair> what's f2f?
2016-07-17 18:04 <hendry> face to face = f2f newb
2016-07-17 18:04 <hyperair> oh
2016-07-17 18:04 <hyperair> wtf is face to face?
2016-07-17 18:04 <hyperair> people actually meet face to face?
2016-07-17 18:04 <hyperair> the only thing i want to see is my monitor
2016-07-17 18:05 <hendry> hyperair: i hear you
2016-07-17 18:05 <hendry> hyperair: i hear you
2016-07-17 18:07 <hendry> hyperair: what's the hackerspace wiki that Roland and other quote? for the Hackerspace patterns and such?
2016-07-17 18:10 <hyperair> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/
2016-07-17 18:10 <RotiPrata> [ HackerspaceWiki ] - wiki.hackerspaces.org
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2016-07-19 09:56 <hendry> hyperair: thanks
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2016-07-20 10:00 <icedwater> Hello folks
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2016-07-20 10:11 <ntropy> mornings!
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2016-07-20 10:25 <hendry> howdy
2016-07-20 10:25 <hendry> ntropy: do you use ECS on AWS out of interest?
2016-07-20 10:26 <ntropy> no, i don't use aws at all
2016-07-20 10:29 <hendry> ntropy: do you mind glancing over a thought piece of mine: http://dabase.com/blog/DevOps_evolution/
2016-07-20 10:29 <RotiPrata> [ DevOps evolution ] - dabase.com
2016-07-20 10:29 <hendry> How full of crap is my thoughtlines ? ;)
2016-07-20 10:30 <icedwater> Always ;)
2016-07-20 10:32 <ntropy> hendry: sure; at first glance i see things i could disagree with, but it really depends on the problem you're trying to solve
2016-07-20 10:33 <hendry> i was just trying to capture a trend that I think is happening
2016-07-20 10:34 <hendry> would you say it's the correct observation of the progression of things/
2016-07-20 10:34 <hendry> ?
2016-07-20 10:38 <ntropy> in some cases maybe thats the progression things take, its not the only possible way though
2016-07-20 10:38 <hendry> have a missed out a particular "way of doing things"?
2016-07-20 10:39 <ntropy> im not talking specific things, just that there are many ways to skin a cat
2016-07-20 10:40 <ntropy> and you seem to only be talking about running applications, im not an expert there, i build and run the platform
2016-07-20 10:42 <ntropy> i'll give a more thorough read later in the day, preparing to head to the office, was avoiding the rain :)
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2016-07-20 10:57 <hendry> the storm last night was pretty darn EPIC
2016-07-20 11:31 <tkd> hendry: we went for a walk yesterday over to marina barrage and were watching some serious lighning which was - according to weather maps - somewhere beyond malaysia to the northeast
2016-07-20 11:32 <tkd> came back home and then all hell broke loose here, haha
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2016-07-20 11:43 <ponyfleisch> sounded like armageddon
2016-07-20 11:44 <ntropy> the eye of the second storm went just north of our house, i was disappointed :)
2016-07-20 11:45 <ponyfleisch> i wonder how this felt like in planes landing at changi
2016-07-20 11:45 <ponyfleisch> (or taking off)
2016-07-20 11:46 <ntropy> yes!  never had to experience that myself, but i heard stories of overhead luggage falling out
2016-07-20 11:49 <icedwater> ponyfleisch: are you back in SG yet?
2016-07-20 12:00 <ponyfleisch> yep
2016-07-20 13:50 <Alex> I took off this morning from Changi
2016-07-20 13:50 <Alex> It wasn't terrible by the time I left, because we were so fucking delayed
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2016-07-20 15:51 <Fr34k_> Hey
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2016-07-20 18:02 <notthetup> hello
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2016-07-21 05:27 <DOiL> some hacker who wants to earn a few dollars for a few emails?
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2016-07-21 09:01 <icedwater> Are they Hillary's?
2016-07-21 09:23 <icedwater> Just out of curiosity... if you try to remember a really long iPad passcode, it's locked for 1 min, 5 min, 15 min, then ... ?
2016-07-21 09:23 <icedwater> I'm probably going to reset the bugger anyway, but I'd like to know if I can basically continue trying what I think was the passcode indefinitely.
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2016-07-21 10:38 <notthetup> it's exponential back off AFAIK
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2016-07-21 13:44 <ntropy> https://www.rsaconference.com/ livestream of Bruce Schneier's keynote
2016-07-21 13:44 <RotiPrata> [ Where The World Talks Security | RSA Conference ] - www.rsaconference.com
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2016-07-21 17:27 <marcog> I need devices to perform real tests on wifi set ups, any suggestion? Raspberry Pi, odroid, arduino...?
2016-07-21 17:28 <marcog> the cheaper the better ;)
2016-07-21 17:32 <tkd> there exist $10 usb wifi dongles, maybe you can leverage that (hook up like 5 of them to your laptop, you now have 5 wifi clients
2016-07-21 17:46 <marcog> but I need like a 100 clients or more...
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2016-07-21 18:27 <Alex> hendry: that wikipedia page is quite badly written (on infant swimming)
2016-07-21 18:27 <Alex> (the top paragraph specifically)
2016-07-21 20:59 <ntropy> marcog: what kind of tests do you have in mind?
2016-07-21 21:00 <ntropy> any particular standard (802.11g/n/ac) or feature?
2016-07-21 21:01 <ntropy> maybe you can get away with something like bladerf and gnuradio?
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2016-07-22 08:38 <hendry> marcog: i like Mikrotik hardware
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2016-07-22 12:32 <icedwater> notthetup: looks like 60 min is the max. I hope so... I'm not looking forward to the 'iPad is locked for 24 hours' stage
2016-07-22 12:32 <icedwater> marcog: lunch now?
2016-07-22 12:58 <notthetup> oh really?
2016-07-22 12:58 <notthetup> ok
2016-07-22 13:51 <icedwater> notthetup: nope
2016-07-22 13:51 <icedwater> "iPad is disabled / connect to iTunes"
2016-07-22 13:51 <icedwater> Lousiest attempt at a haiku ever.
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2016-07-24 13:43 <David_pain_> hello
2016-07-24 13:44 <David_pain_> guys i'm intersetin in this chanel
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2016-07-24 17:10 <notthetup> whatcha settin?
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2016-07-25 02:35 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i did a "time dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo.data bs=1M count=1024" on an EFS fs in ireland. took 2m43s. is that normal? seems a bit slow?
2016-07-25 02:35 <ponyfleisch> (6.6 MB/s)
2016-07-25 02:37 <ponyfleisch> ah, nice. it's even documented.
2016-07-25 02:37 <ponyfleisch> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/efs/latest/ug/performance.html
2016-07-25 02:37 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon EFS Performance - Amazon Elastic File System ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-07-25 02:38 <ponyfleisch> interestingly i did a "time dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.data bs=1M count=1024" just after, took 26 secs, 40.8 MB/s
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2016-07-25 09:00 <notthetup> yes urandom
2016-07-25 09:00 <notthetup> urandom takes time to build up entropy
2016-07-25 09:00 <notthetup> if you keep draining it of entropy, it will block
2016-07-25 09:33 <Alex> ponyfleisch: that's significantly lower than I'd expect.
2016-07-25 09:34 <Alex> notthetup: I'm reasonably sure that's incorrect - urandom is non blocking
2016-07-25 09:34 <Alex> 'A read from the /dev/urandom device will not block waiting for more entropy' from urandom(4)
2016-07-25 10:02 <tkd> it's /dev/random that blocks, /urandom just keeps pushing the PRNG on reads
2016-07-25 10:19 <notthetup> doh! yes.. I got confused between urandom and random
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2016-07-25 11:11 <ponyfleisch> i wonder if it was some initial thingie
2016-07-25 11:12 <ponyfleisch> but for heavy duty I/O shit the numbers on that link i posted look bad.
2016-07-25 12:04 <notthetup> does what does urandom do if random doesn't even have enough entropy to seed it's PRNG?
2016-07-25 12:05 <tkd> not sure i understand the question but does http://linux.die.net/man/4/urandom answer it?:D
2016-07-25 12:05 <RotiPrata> [ urandom(4): kernel random number source devices - Linux man page ] - linux.die.net
2016-07-25 12:06 <notthetup> i should look at the source
2016-07-25 12:10 <tkd> that's the hardcore way to approach this problem, i suppose. but really, what are you trying to figure out?
2016-07-25 12:17 <ponyfleisch> notthetup: it's a PRNG
2016-07-25 12:17 <ponyfleisch> notthetup: it's not really random random
2016-07-25 12:19 <ponyfleisch> from what i understand, urandom takes what it can get to seed the prng
2016-07-25 12:19 <notthetup> my understanding was the PRNG is seeded by /dev/random
2016-07-25 12:19 <notthetup> right
2016-07-25 12:20 <notthetup> so if it can't get anything i wonder what it does..
2016-07-25 12:20 <ponyfleisch> yeah. but it will never give you up, or let you down, or run around and not output pseudorandomness anymore
2016-07-25 12:20 <ponyfleisch> well it just runs the PRNG. which is just an algo that generates a really long sequence
2016-07-25 12:25 <ponyfleisch> so i guess if you have a lot of patience, you'll see the sequence repeat :)
2016-07-25 12:27 <ponyfleisch> on the other hand: http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
2016-07-25 12:27 <RotiPrata> [ Myths about /dev/urandom ] - www.2uo.de
2016-07-25 12:39 <notthetup> "Linux's /dev/urandom happily gives you not-so-random numbers before the kernel even had the chance to gather entropy. When is that? At system start, booting the computer."
2016-07-25 12:39 <notthetup> "FreeBSD does the right thing: they don't have the distinction between /dev/random and /dev/urandom, both are the same device. At startup /dev/random blocks once until enough starting entropy has been gathered. Then it won't block ever again."
2016-07-25 12:40 <notthetup> also https://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@randombit.net/msg04763.html
2016-07-25 12:40 <RotiPrata> [ Re: [cryptography] urandom vs random ] - www.mail-archive.com
2016-07-25 12:45 <ponyfleisch> that's interesting
2016-07-25 12:45 <ponyfleisch> so on freebsd you can't get "true" randomness, but apparently that doesn't matter anyway
2016-07-25 12:46 <ponyfleisch> well, i don't have the brain for such things.
2016-07-25 13:35 <ntropy> true randomness is hard to find, computers have cryptographically-secure PRNGs, so they're good enough
2016-07-25 13:58 <Alex> 'hi every1 im new!!!!!!! holds up spork my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me _… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more ...
2016-07-25 13:58 <Alex> ... the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!
2016-07-25 13:58 <Alex> DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again _^ hehe…toodles!!!!!
2016-07-25 13:58 <Alex> (relatedly)
2016-07-25 13:59 <Alex> (true randomness!11)
2016-07-25 14:43 <notthetup> WHAT JUST HAPPENED??!?!?!
2016-07-25 15:19 <ntropy> Alex was being pseudo-random :)
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2016-07-25 15:46 <ponyfleisch> Alex: there should be a "cryptographically secure random teen" meme
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2016-07-27 09:09 <icedwater> Morning folks :P
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2016-07-27 11:58 <Marlinski> ohh if I knew there was a mesh session at HSG last wednesday :(
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2016-07-27 12:07 <tkd> mesh like meshnet?
2016-07-27 12:08 <notthetup> there was?
2016-07-27 12:16 <Marlinski> I just saw a tweet about how last 25th someone talked about wireless mesh network
2016-07-27 14:08 <notthetup> ahh yes.. it was on Monday
2016-07-27 14:09 <notthetup> this was Papers We LOve
2016-07-27 14:11 <notthetup> sorry that event is curated on Facebook
2016-07-27 14:11 <notthetup> you can use https://webuild.sg/ to track it
2016-07-27 14:11 <RotiPrata> [ We Build SG ] - webuild.sg
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2016-07-28 17:24 <ponyfleisch> okay, i haven't been to hackerspace in a while
2016-07-28 17:24 <ponyfleisch> out of curiousity: http://cam.hackerspace.sg/#2016-07-28 the two full pc setups there..
2016-07-28 17:24 <RotiPrata> [ Hackerspace.SG cam ] - cam.hackerspace.sg
2016-07-28 17:24 <ponyfleisch> i mean, are these people on a reserved desk membership tier?
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2016-07-28 19:20 <Valentine> ponyfleisch: nope, but the one on the left is for common use, at least
2016-07-28 19:24 <ponyfleisch> it seems fucking cluttered
2016-07-28 19:24 <ponyfleisch> but then, the whole space is fucking cluttered
2016-07-28 19:37 <Lepak> <hyperair> The desktop on the left usually stays out of the way with keyboard and mouse on top of the CPU. Monitor's a bit of a common monitor, and someone's occupying the table with a laptop right now.
2016-07-28 19:39 <Lepak> <hyperair> Aaron and I paid for that machine, and it's a bit of a communal gaming box. It looks cluttered because there's a cluttered shelf in front of that table.
2016-07-28 19:39 <Lepak> <hyperair> @ponyfleisch: ^
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater> Oh
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater> There's a common use PC there?
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater>                                                             │
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater> ech Anyone here conversant with lvm and fsadm? I resized a  │
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater> vm partition using gparted, but forgot to resize the ext4 fs│
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2016-07-28 19:40 <Lepak> <hyperair> Uh huh
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater>                                                             │ugh
2016-07-28 19:40 <Lepak> <hyperair> Lol
2016-07-28 19:40 <icedwater> Sorry, I meant to ask that question but it seems I'm better off retyping
2016-07-28 19:40 <Lepak> <hyperair> Yep
2016-07-28 19:41 <Lepak> <hyperair> I'm conversant with lvm, but not fsadm
2016-07-28 19:42 <icedwater> Basically, resized an lvm partition via gparted. fs didn't change size. And now fsadm complains /blah is mounted on / and cannot be resized, even if I use "recovery mode".
2016-07-28 19:42 <icedwater> I tried fsadm -l resize /blah 29110M and got that error
2016-07-28 19:44 <Lepak> <hyperair> Try using rezize2fs
2016-07-28 19:45 <Lepak> <hyperair> Are you expanding or shrinking?
2016-07-28 19:45 <icedwater> I'm expanding.
2016-07-28 19:46 <icedwater> So there's multiple layers to this thing, right.
2016-07-28 19:47 <icedwater> Firstly, it's on a VM. Then it's an Ubuntu root partition which is an lvm inside an extended partition. And so of course I forgot that there's also the fs inside the lvm that I need to extend.
2016-07-28 19:47 <icedwater> I mounted the VDI on my laptop, used gparted to resize the extended and lvm partitions, and when the VM reboots it shows the old fs size.
2016-07-28 19:48 <icedwater> Technically there's 20G now on the lvm partition, but the fs only sees 7.3G
2016-07-28 19:48 <Lepak> <hyperair> For expanding start with the outermost layer first
2016-07-28 19:49 <icedwater> Can resize2fs work with mounted partitions? Because I need some way to not mount that thing as / and I can't stick a live USB into a VM... although...
2016-07-28 19:49 <icedwater> Yeah, all the layers but the FS are expanded
2016-07-28 19:49 <Lepak> <hyperair> Yes it does, but only for expansion
2016-07-28 19:49 <Lepak> <hyperair> Which you're doing
2016-07-28 19:49 <icedwater> OK, I'll try that tomorrow morning, thanks.
2016-07-28 19:49 <icedwater> Not gonna bug the poor guy any more, we both should be going home
2016-07-28 19:49 <icedwater> :p
2016-07-28 19:50 <icedwater> So resize2fs doesn't work for shrinking mounted partitions? Why?
2016-07-28 19:50 <Lepak> <hyperair> Run it without size arguments. It will expand to fit the size of the block device automatically
2016-07-28 19:50 <icedwater> Doesn't it just say "I hope you know what you're doing!" and do it anyway?
2016-07-28 19:50 <Lepak> <hyperair> I'm not sure, but I think files and superblocks need to be shuffled around to shrink. For expanding you only need to update your free blocks
2016-07-28 19:51 <icedwater> Hmm, OK
2016-07-28 19:51 <Lepak> <hyperair> And no, resize2fs requires some flags to force it to shrink if mounted.
2016-07-28 19:52 <icedwater> Fair enough. I was looking at fsadm, haven't tried resize2fs.
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2016-07-29 10:58 <ponyfleisch> Alex: do people inside aws take elastic beanstalk seriously?
2016-07-29 10:58 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i've been working with it and i want to kick things. or people.
2016-07-29 11:00 <ponyfleisch> Alex: it appears that "eb deploy" not only fails randomly, it also fails while still returning 0, so the CI system things all is fine, when in fact things are on fire.
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2016-07-29 11:11 <notthetup> teehee
2016-07-29 11:12 <notthetup> i remember Alex once told me "if you're using EB, you're doing it wrong" ;)
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2016-07-29 13:11 <Alex> notthetup: I don't think I've ever said that. :)
2016-07-29 13:11 <Alex> ponyfleisch: Really? Feel free to drop me a mail (alexjs@) and I can raise it further
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2016-07-29 14:34 <notthetup> :p
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2016-07-29 14:48 <ponyfleisch> Alex: amazon.com? or aws.amazon.com?
2016-07-29 15:00 <Alex> amazon.com
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2016-07-29 15:23 <hendry> Alex: kopi_js tomorrow?
2016-07-29 15:25 <Alex> Saturday morning is tennis, afternoon is J class. Saturdays not good for me
2016-07-29 15:27 <ponyfleisch> tennis. we getting extra posh?
2016-07-29 15:28 <hendry> Alex: i play tennis !
2016-07-29 15:29 <hendry> ponyfleisch: posh? tennis is for the masses
2016-07-29 15:29 <Alex> I do need to start squash again too
2016-07-29 15:29 <hendry> Alex: lets play. I will crush you
2016-07-29 15:29 <hendry> or you will beat me. either or
2016-07-29 15:29 <Alex> tennis, squash, or both?
2016-07-29 15:29 <hendry> best of three?
2016-07-29 15:30 <hendry> badminton or yoga is the 3rd
2016-07-29 15:30 <hendry> but seriously i prefer tennis
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2016-07-29 15:53 <ponyfleisch> i hear squash is for people who do not plan to use their knees past their mid-thirties
2016-07-29 15:54 <ponyfleisch> hendry: excuse me for calling tennish posh. i hope you didn't drop your polo mallet from the shock :)
2016-07-29 15:54 <ponyfleisch> s/tennish/tennis/
2016-07-29 15:54 <RotiPrata> ponyfleisch meant to say: hendry: excuse me for calling tennis posh. i hope you didn't drop your polo mallet from the shock :)
2016-07-29 15:55 <ponyfleisch> Alex: in case you want to play drinking (i'll let you win), feel free to join tonight.
2016-07-29 15:55 <ponyfleisch> hendry too if your fatherly duties allow it
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2016-07-29 16:36 <hendry> ponyfleisch: got a run tomorrow, Saturday nights are my only vice
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2016-07-29 20:40 <hendry> mbrochh: welcome to IRC
2016-07-29 20:40 <mbrochh> i only open this when i need help for shit on freenode ;)
2016-07-29 20:56 <hendry> give and take
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2016-08-01 15:27 <ponyfleisch> Alex: sorry for all the stupid aws questions, but how realistic is it to get the limit for the amount of domain names for a ACM cert raised to about 50-60 names? :)
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2016-08-01 16:26 <Alex> ponyfleisch: There's a good reason we generally don't (see http://docs.aws.amazon.com/acm/latest/userguide/acm-limits.html) but I don't believe there's a technical limit
2016-08-01 16:26 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon Web Services Documentation ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
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2016-08-01 17:13 <ponyfleisch> Alex: yep. i see.
2016-08-01 17:14 <ponyfleisch> meh, https is not urgent for this project anyway, but it's one single app that runs on ~20 different domains, 4 subdomains in each domain.
2016-08-01 17:14 <ponyfleisch> or 3.
2016-08-01 17:16 <ponyfleisch> is there any technical reason, certs can't be changed?
2016-08-01 17:16 <ponyfleisch> oops, that comma is pointless
2016-08-01 17:19 <Alex> Yeah, that's how certs work - you can't modify, just issue new ones and revoke old ones
2016-08-01 17:29 <ponyfleisch> yeah, but why would they want to re-validate already validated domain names then?
2016-08-01 19:20 <GIANT_CRAB> hendry: https://natalian.org/2016/06/04/Web_video_editor_wanted/ u can export the video using adobe media encoder
2016-08-01 19:20 <RotiPrata> [ Opensource Web video editor wanted ] - natalian.org
2016-08-01 19:23 <hendry> GIANT_CRAB: er ?
2016-08-01 19:24 <GIANT_CRAB> one of the problems u mentioned with Adobe Premiere Pro isn't an issue
2016-08-01 19:25 <GIANT_CRAB> when u export the video using media encoder, you can continue editing using premiere pro
2016-08-01 19:30 <hendry> GIANT_CRAB: oh ok
2016-08-01 19:30 <hendry> GIANT_CRAB: Tried Archlinux yet ? :)
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2016-08-02 08:16 <Alex> ponyfleisch: thanks for that mail btw, will follow up later in the week. Just on my way to HKG.
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2016-08-02 11:47 <ponyfleisch> Alex: oh i got more of those things :)
2016-08-02 11:48 <ponyfleisch> Alex: for example, trying to get the codedeploy agent working on the latest ubuntu. comes with ruby2.3, codedeploy wants ruby2.0, BUT the latest codedeploy from source can actually handle 2.3....
2016-08-02 11:48 <ponyfleisch> and no, i'm not gonna install ruby 2.0 via rvm.
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2016-08-03 09:50 <icedwater> Hi folks :)
2016-08-03 09:50 <icedwater> I see Conficker is back. I wonder if we should be running an antivirus here...
2016-08-03 09:55 <icedwater> I haven't been able to get my ASUS router working... so much for plug and play. I hope I haven't messed it up.
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2016-08-07 17:20 <gaqzi> Walking past the Hackerspace on my way home and it's not a Pokestop! To do something small about it I dropped an incense outside. So there should be some pokemon around the space for a while :p
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2016-08-07 21:49 <Valentine> gaqzi: awwww
2016-08-07 21:49 <Valentine> incense only benefits yourself though =P
2016-08-07 21:49 <gaqzi> I realised as I started walking
2016-08-07 21:49 <gaqzi> thought that counts?
2016-08-07 21:49 <Valentine> nope, but Lures do
2016-08-07 21:50 <Valentine> the closest Pokestop is pretty far though
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2016-08-08 10:14 <ntropy> anyone got tickets to the NDP tomorrow?
2016-08-08 10:14 <ntropy> i hear you get some kind of a LED badge
2016-08-08 10:15 <ntropy> is it hackable?
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2016-08-10 15:50 <ntropy> tkd: ping
2016-08-10 15:50 <tkd> ntropy: hello, what's up?
2016-08-10 15:51 <ntropy> ohai, i sent you a pm and wasn't sure if it was working as i didn't get a response for a few days
2016-08-10 15:55 <tkd> oh oops, i tend to miss PMs (20+ weechat buffers, bottom bar only shows me enough notifications for about 10, hehe)
2016-08-10 16:01 <ntropy> power user :P
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2016-08-14 13:09 <Alex> https://www.facebook.com/singaporeair/photos/pcb.10154442319713679/10154442316198679/?type=3&theater wins a gold medal, still doesn't get PPS
2016-08-14 13:09 <RotiPrata> [ Singapore Airlines - Timeline | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
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2016-08-16 12:16 <hendry> Alex: is a Cloudfront behaviour a redirect ?
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2016-08-16 14:14 <Alex> hendry: no
2016-08-16 14:14 <Alex> hendry: It's like a proxy configuration - so /foo/ with an origin of http://foo.com would send traffic over there, and you can define /foo/ specific behaviour in terms of caching.
2016-08-16 14:14 <RotiPrata> [ Foo.com ] - foo.com
2016-08-16 14:15 <hendry> Alex: cheers
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2016-08-19 11:09 <ponyfleisch> sigh, fucking elastic beanstalk
2016-08-19 11:09 <ponyfleisch> Alex: can you internally go hit some people in the nuts?
2016-08-19 11:10 <ponyfleisch> change security group -> it has to roll out all new ec2 instances
2016-08-19 11:25 <Alex> ?
2016-08-19 11:25 <Alex> You mean modify the SG of an instance?
2016-08-19 11:26 <Alex> As you can't - so changing the SG of an EB environment would result in new instances, right?
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2016-08-19 13:25 <ponyfleisch> wait, is that so? i thought modifying the security group of an instance was possible?
2016-08-19 13:25 <ponyfleisch> i'm probably wrong :)
2016-08-19 13:26 <ponyfleisch> either way, everything takes WAY too long with eb
2016-08-19 13:44 <Alex> You can modify the rules applied to a group
2016-08-19 13:44 <Alex> but you can't change the groups applied to an instance after it's started
2016-08-19 13:45 <Alex> Oh, sorry - that's for EC2-Classic
2016-08-19 13:45 <Alex> Ignore me - for VPC you can.
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2016-08-19 23:17 <telboon> Not sure if it's impolite to ask this, but do you guys know any hackerspace equivalent places in the west?
2016-08-19 23:17 <telboon> I live in west part of Singapore, and wouldn't really want to travel 1 hour to have a place to chill and do projects
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2016-08-22 14:50 <icedwater> Ah, pity telboon is gone
2016-08-22 14:50 <icedwater> GIANT_CRAB_: ping
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2016-08-22 15:04 <icedwater> Ideas for a new meetup group: XML User Group. Just sit at bars and complain about Jason all day.
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2016-08-22 15:27 <tkd> or just sit at bars and drink because you're using XML
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2016-08-22 15:38 <icedwater> I drink at lunchtime. I'm using an XML scripting language :D
2016-08-22 15:38 <icedwater> But enough about me
2016-08-22 15:38 <icedwater> :D
2016-08-22 15:41 <tkd> icedwater: you mean like a scripting language… embedded in XML? I'm guessing because writing parsers is annoying?
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2016-08-22 16:27 <icedwater> tkd: I'm not sure what you mean by embedded. But when if (cond) {...} becomes <if cond = ""> ... </if>, it's time for a stiff drink or two.
2016-08-22 16:27 <tkd> yeah i meant exactly that, hehe
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2016-08-22 17:02 <jser> hi, guys。
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2016-08-22 17:31 <jser> i am fbi.
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2016-08-23 09:41 <hendry> good morning
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2016-08-23 11:10 <Alex> Morning
2016-08-23 11:20 <hendry> Alex: how did the tutorial go?
2016-08-23 11:21 <hendry> mine was a little painful. there is no way i could interact by movie around the participants
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2016-08-23 11:30 <icedwater> Heh, meant to clear the screen.
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2016-08-23 12:07 <Alex> hendry: Far too short in the end, but reasonably good feedback
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2016-08-27 08:27 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: pong
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2016-08-27 14:07 <Alex> hendry: https://twitter.com/leisa/status/769392533059276800
2016-08-27 14:07 <RotiPrata> [ Leisa Reichelt on Twitter: "You can tell a lot about a car company that thinks having 100 million lines of code is something to brag about... https://t.co/E5LO5N85AG" ] - twitter.com
2016-08-27 14:21 <hendry> Alex: omg
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2016-08-28 01:02 <icedwater> GIANT_CRAB: wah. latency sibei high
2016-08-28 01:03 <icedwater> I think we are in different time zones.
2016-08-28 01:05 <GIANT_CRAB> maybe icedwater
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2016-08-28 09:15 <hendry> Alex: is AWS SMS only US?
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2016-08-29 08:25 <Alex> hendry: no
2016-08-29 08:30 <Alex> hendry: used to be, global SMS was added in
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2016-08-29 10:55 <hendry> Alex: oh the SNS homepage needs updating or something then
2016-08-29 11:40 <Alex> Good catch
2016-08-29 11:46 <Alex> Thanks hendry
2016-08-29 11:52 <hendry> Alex: ok, now I need a super simple API to send an SMS... don't look forward in wading into into the PHP SDK. http://dabase.com/blog/AWS_PHP_SDK_v3/
2016-08-29 11:52 <RotiPrata> [ AWS PHP SDK v3 ] - dabase.com
2016-08-29 14:02 <ponyfleisch> twilio then
2016-08-29 15:11 <Alex> Yeah I saw that. You're hilarious.
2016-08-29 15:11 <Alex> I like the twilio SDK - it actually formed part of my demo at the PHP day.
2016-08-29 15:45 <ponyfleisch> hendry: using the SDK is so un-you
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2016-08-29 15:45 <ponyfleisch> i'm sure you can clobber something together in 10 lines of php, 8 of them starting with "curl_"
2016-08-29 15:49 <hendry> ponyfleisch: figuring out their curl endpoint can be quite hard
2016-08-29 15:49 <hendry> i couldn't find good docmentation for their SES API or S3 upload API etc... running outtta time!
2016-08-29 15:50 <hendry> it's kinda sad the API is so "enterprise" that all these startups have to create sane APIs around them. Double abstraction!
2016-08-29 15:55 <tkd> hendry: you know there's stuff like iron.io out there that basically run your dockers on multiple clouds, right?:)
2016-08-29 15:56 <tkd> we have reached abstraction as a service
2016-08-29 15:56 <tkd> otherwise known as "goddamit, Moore"
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2016-08-29 16:25 <hendry> as soon as i figure out AWS, I'll be using iron.io
2016-08-29 16:26 <hendry> what's the old adage, don't outsource what you don't know how to do (badly) yourself?
2016-08-29 16:42 <Alex> The problem with that, btw, is that you end up at the lowest common denominator - so it's hard to take advantage of the good stuff that various clouds do
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2016-08-29 17:35 <ponyfleisch> yo, Alex
2016-08-29 17:35 <ponyfleisch> i have a POST request that goes through CF
2016-08-29 17:35 <ponyfleisch> has a fuck ton of fields, request size is about 200kib
2016-08-29 17:36 <ponyfleisch> server acts like it got it all, responds correctly, but doesn't do what it is supposed to do
2016-08-29 17:36 <ponyfleisch> hm wait, i'll just steal the request as CURL and send it to my own endpoint to see what actually arrives
2016-08-29 17:39 <Alex> ok
2016-08-29 17:39 <ponyfleisch> heh, yep, it just cuts it off after some fields
2016-08-29 17:42 <ponyfleisch> oh wait, i think it's not cf.
2016-08-29 17:48 <ponyfleisch> yep, sorry, my fault :(
2016-08-29 17:50 <Alex> np
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2016-08-29 23:01 <hendry> hmm, i get emails telling me my PHP code is vulnerable http://s.natalian.org/2016-08-29/1472482843_2548x1380.png
2016-08-29 23:01 <hendry> i think i should just use golang and give up entirely on PHP
2016-08-29 23:02 <hendry> i like with golang it does all the correct escaping automagically and there is no way for variables to shell out
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2016-08-29 23:27 <ponyfleisch> yeah or you could do modern php and stop whining :)
2016-08-29 23:28 <hendry> what's modern PHP? using laravel?
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2016-08-30 00:20 <ponyfleisch> i'm not a fan of laravel
2016-08-30 00:21 <ponyfleisch> the symfony2 packages are pretty good
2016-08-30 00:22 <ponyfleisch> also, in what way does go automagically escape stuff for you when you concatenate a shell string together?
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2016-08-30 09:49 <hendry> ponyfleisch: that's a good point
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2016-08-30 10:02 <hendry> ponyfleisch: actually, the way you execute a command in Golang is without the shell https://golang.org/pkg/os/exec/#Command
2016-08-30 10:02 <RotiPrata> [ exec - The Go Programming Language ] - golang.org
2016-08-30 10:02 <hendry> So you basically avoid running any shell
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2016-08-30 11:02 <ponyfleisch> hendry: yeah, and you can do that in php too, but you'll have to fork() first i think
2016-08-30 11:03 <ponyfleisch> because PHPs exec() is really just the syscall, more or less
2016-08-30 11:03 <ponyfleisch> oh wait, i'm wrong
2016-08-30 11:04 <ponyfleisch> was thinking of this: http://php.net/manual/en/function.pcntl-exec.php
2016-08-30 11:04 <RotiPrata> [ PHP: pcntl_exec - Manual ] - php.net
2016-08-30 11:06 <ponyfleisch> but if you look at the "Notes" section of http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php you'll see that exec() does escapeshellcmd() for you (if safe mode is enabled, and you should totally do that)
2016-08-30 11:06 <RotiPrata> [ PHP: exec - Manual ] - php.net
2016-08-30 11:06 <ponyfleisch> but yeah, i think there should be an interface that allows to pass the args as an array
2016-08-30 11:09 <hendry> ACTION wonders if I'm in safe mode
2016-08-30 11:09 <hendry> anyway, I'm giving myself some reasons now to code in PHP anymore
2016-08-30 11:10 <ponyfleisch> yeah, that's a good idea i think
2016-08-30 11:10 <ponyfleisch> i'm doing mostly node nowadays, and i would totally dig into java/spring/hibernate if i get a big backend project at some point.
2016-08-30 11:10 <ponyfleisch> anyway, consider using this: https://github.com/symfony/process
2016-08-30 11:10 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - symfony/process: [READ-ONLY] Subtree split of the Symfony Process Component ] - github.com
2016-08-30 11:11 <ponyfleisch> it's 244KiB, 92 of those are tests, so relatively little code
2016-08-30 11:11 <ponyfleisch> http://symfony.com/doc/current/components/process.html
2016-08-30 11:11 <RotiPrata> [ The Process Component (The Symfony Components) ] - symfony.com
2016-08-30 11:11 <ponyfleisch> use the builder interface
2016-08-30 11:11 <ponyfleisch> pass arguments as an array
2016-08-30 11:12 <ponyfleisch> it has zero dependencies
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2016-08-30 12:13 <hendry> ponyfleisch: interesting I give you that
2016-08-30 12:14 <hendry> but I don't like this new fangled OO PHP language stuffs. $process::OUT === $type WAT
2016-08-30 12:20 <ponyfleisch> well, sure, but you're complaining about the shortcomings of old school interfaces
2016-08-30 12:20 <ponyfleisch> ah well
2016-08-30 12:20 <ponyfleisch> pick your language
2016-08-30 12:20 <ponyfleisch> i don't care
2016-08-30 12:21 <ponyfleisch> i for one love modern php. especially when used with a proper IDE.
2016-08-30 12:22 <ponyfleisch> code browsing, auto completion, some on the fly linting and type checking
2016-08-30 12:22 <hendry> i can't be arsed to move off vim
2016-08-30 12:23 <hendry> i do notice how some IDEs make like easier, esp for refactoring
2016-08-30 12:23 <ponyfleisch> well, sure, i just regularly facepalm when i see you edit stuff
2016-08-30 12:23 <Alex> I sometimes wonder if hendry knows how...hendry...like he is
2016-08-30 12:23 <hendry> vim's golang support though is kinda awesome
2016-08-30 12:24 <hendry> facepalm? my edits? wat? you looking over my shoulder?
2016-08-30 12:24 <ponyfleisch> hendry: no, your whiny videos
2016-08-30 12:27 <hendry> oh thanks :P
2016-08-30 12:28 <hendry> i just surpassed 700 subs
2016-08-30 12:30 <ponyfleisch> well done, Ghyslain
2016-08-30 13:25 <Marlinski> vim poor method autocompletion for a fair sized project makes it really hard to use as a real development environment
2016-08-30 13:25 <Marlinski> avec with CTAGS it doesn't really beat, say android-studio for android dev
2016-08-30 13:25 <Marlinski> s/avec/even
2016-08-30 13:25 <RotiPrata> Marlinski meant to say: even with CTAGS it doesn't really beat, say android-studio for android dev
2016-08-30 13:47 <hendry> Marlinski: vim's method completion works for me
2016-08-30 13:47 <hendry> ctrl-x ctrl-o
2016-08-30 14:22 <Marlinski> hendry: and how does it knows which method to call if it is declared in another file
2016-08-30 14:23 <Marlinski> or if this method is from the super class
2016-08-30 14:23 <Marlinski> or that the attribute is private and cannot be called
2016-08-30 14:23 <Marlinski> etc.
2016-08-30 14:26 <ponyfleisch> no but it gives him the illusion that he is quick :)
2016-08-30 14:27 <ponyfleisch> though i guess a properly set up vim, used by an absolute pro can be really nice.
2016-08-30 14:27 <ponyfleisch> it's just not how hendry uses it
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2016-08-30 14:36 <Marlinski> I doubt that there are as many features existing for vim as any IDE
2016-08-30 14:37 <Marlinski> iirc ctags doesn't dynamically change its database as you write code, you have to run every once in a while to update
2016-08-30 14:38 <Marlinski> I love vim though, best for writing scripts or small program
2016-08-30 14:56 <hendry> ok, help me out guys.. my brain is not working
2016-08-30 14:57 <hendry> how do i get from 1920×1080 to 16:9
2016-08-30 14:57 <hendry> i know dividing both gets 1.77
2016-08-30 14:57 <hendry> but i was wondering if i could factor it down using some function
2016-08-30 14:58 <hendry> to get the largest integer ratio
2016-08-30 14:59 <ponyfleisch> divide by 1920, multiply by 16?
2016-08-30 15:00 <ponyfleisch> 1080/1920*16
2016-08-30 15:00 <ponyfleisch> 9.0000000000
2016-08-30 15:00 <ponyfleisch> and since 1920/16 is 120
2016-08-30 15:00 <ponyfleisch> you can just do 1080/120
2016-08-30 15:04 <hendry> so I'm given 2048x872 ... how do I work out the aspect ratio
2016-08-30 15:06 <Marlinski> are you configuring your X.org ?
2016-08-30 15:15 <hendry> Marlinski: no, trying to sort out some video content
2016-08-30 15:17 <struct> find gcd of (1920,1080) and divide by them
2016-08-30 15:18 <struct> gcd(2048,872) = 8
2016-08-30 15:19 <struct> aspect ratio of 2048,872 = 2048/8 : 872:8 = 256:109
2016-08-30 15:21 <hendry> 2048x872 [SAR 1:1 DAR 256:109]
2016-08-30 15:21 <hendry> Ahh.. that's what those things in ffprobe mean
2016-08-30 15:21 <hendry> I wasn't quite sure
2016-08-30 15:21 <hendry> thanks struct
2016-08-30 15:22 <struct> you're welcome :)
2016-08-30 15:28 <hendry> is there a cli tool for calculating gcd?
2016-08-30 15:29 <Marlinski> I believe you can do it a one liner :)
2016-08-30 15:30 <Marlinski> using perl lib MMATH
2016-08-30 15:30 <hendry> i don't have perl on my system
2016-08-30 15:30 <Marlinski> perl -MMath::BigInt=bgcd -le 'print bgcd(2048,872)'
2016-08-30 15:30 <hendry> shit, i do
2016-08-30 15:30 <hendry> goddam git
2016-08-30 15:31 <Marlinski> that's unfortunate
2016-08-30 15:31 <Marlinski> ah well, problem solved
2016-08-30 15:35 <Marlinski> python -c "import sys; gcd=lambda a,b: b if a%b == 0 else gcd(b, a%b); print(gcd(2048,872));"
2016-08-30 16:17 <ponyfleisch> you can also script something with bc :)
2016-08-30 16:19 <Marlinski> bc doesn't do float point calculation does it ?
2016-08-30 16:20 <Marlinski> oh actually it does
2016-08-30 16:29 <ponyfleisch> yeah it does, but not relevant for gcd
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2016-08-31 08:17 <Alex> https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/08/announcing-query-string-whitelisting-for-amazon-cloudfront/ £ hooray.
2016-08-31 08:17 <RotiPrata> [ Announcing Query String Whitelisting for Amazon CloudFront ] - aws.amazon.com
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2016-08-31 14:16 <notthetup> hey Alex.js are you at AWSome day SG?
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2016-08-31 15:16 <Alex> notthetup: I'm afraid I'm not :( You?
2016-08-31 15:53 <notthetup> I came here hoping to see you.. :(
2016-08-31 15:53 <notthetup> I will now leave with a heavy heart
2016-08-31 16:00 <Alex> That's okay, you'll recover.
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2016-09-02 09:22 <Alex> hendry: SNS page now corrected btw - thank you
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2016-09-02 12:32 <hendry> Alex: my next beef is that the minute I want to use SES in ap-southeast-1 it b0rks with http://s.natalian.org/2016-09-02/1472790599_2558x1404.png
2016-09-02 12:33 <hendry> so that means I need to put my lambda et al in Oregon? just because I want a mail?
2016-09-02 12:33 <hendry> actually, I forgot to try set region.
2016-09-02 12:36 <hendry> ok AWS.config.region = 'us-west-2';
2016-09-02 12:36 <hendry> fixed it. sorry for the noise
2016-09-02 13:29 <Alex> ok
2016-09-02 13:30 <Alex> hendry: are you enjoying writing node?
2016-09-02 13:30 <Alex> hendry: how do you feel about node vs python?
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2016-09-02 13:55 <hendry> Alex: i've lost faith in python
2016-09-02 13:58 <hendry> Alex: nodejs is ubiqtous I guess. i'm writing a tool in golang (which i prefer) and i doubt anyone except me will ever look at it
2016-09-02 14:00 <Alex> fair enough
2016-09-02 14:13 <hendry> Alex: Create Custom Domain Name in API Gateway doesn't make a lot of sense to me
2016-09-02 14:13 <hendry> Must say I like the Usage plans / Throttling features, at least that's the promise
2016-09-02 14:15 <hendry> Wonder what Authorizers is about or how to use it
2016-09-02 14:17 <Alex> Custom authorizers are AWS Lambda functions. With custom request authorizers, you will be able to authorize access to APIs using a bearer token auth strategy such as OAuth. When an API is called, API Gateway checks if a custom authorizer is configured, API Gateway then calls the Lambda function with the incoming authorization token. You can use Lambda to implement various authorization strategies (e.g. JWT verification, OAuth provider callout) that ...
2016-09-02 14:17 <Alex> ... return IAM policies which are used to authorize the request. If the policy returned by the authorizer is valid, API Gateway will cache the policy associated with the incoming token for up to 1 hour.
2016-09-02 14:20 <Alex> hendry: every page in the api gateway console has a little help button in the top right, it should take you to the appropriate page
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2016-09-02 15:12 <A_Drone> I'm trying to find a way to save the links on HN front page everyday to Pocket automatically
2016-09-02 15:13 <A_Drone> Anyone know an easy (no code) way? I don't want to build something for this, can't be the only person who thought of this.
2016-09-02 15:13 <A_Drone> Didn't find any scripts on Github
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2016-09-02 15:36 <tkd> A_Drone: you could go to, say, http://web.archive.org/web/20160901/https://news.ycombinator.com/ to get a snapshot from 2016-09-01
2016-09-02 15:36 <RotiPrata> [ Hacker News ] - web.archive.org
2016-09-02 15:36 <A_Drone> Ah
2016-09-02 15:37 <A_Drone> A day old. Works
2016-09-02 15:37 <tkd> A_Drone: latest snapshot is actually from like an hour ago, i just gave a historic example
2016-09-02 15:37 <tkd> http://web.archive.org/web/https://news.ycombinator.com/ that's the last one
2016-09-02 15:37 <RotiPrata> [ Hacker News ] - web.archive.org
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2016-09-02 15:39 <hendry> A_Drone: don't you have Internet?
2016-09-02 15:40 <hendry> Alex: i wrote a script to help folks in the company deploy to ECS http://s.natalian.org/2016-09-02/1472801832_1524x1380.png
2016-09-02 15:42 <A_Drone> hendry: I just want to avoid temptation to open that page
2016-09-02 15:42 <A_Drone> So if I know there's an automatic polling thing that's sending the top links to pocket
2016-09-02 15:42 <A_Drone> I can enjoy them at leisure XD
2016-09-02 15:43 <A_Drone> But this has to have been done before...
2016-09-02 15:44 <tkd> there's also stuff like https://edavis.github.io/hnrss/
2016-09-02 15:44 <RotiPrata> [ hnrss by edavis ] - edavis.github.io
2016-09-02 15:44 <tkd> and i should get back to work
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2016-09-02 16:14 <hendry> struggling to setup cloudwatch logging http://s.natalian.org/2016-09-02/1472804039_1534x1404.png
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2016-09-03 18:27 <hendry> Alex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7g-xPhnYQ
2016-09-03 18:27 <RotiPrata> [ Feedback form with AWS SES+Lambda+API Gateway - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2016-09-04 12:51 <hendry> Alex: is this sane or does AWS offer a simpler way ? https://auth0.com/docs/integrations/aws-api-gateway/part-2
2016-09-04 12:51 <RotiPrata> [ Amazon API Gateway Tutorial - Adding Security and Deploying ] - auth0.com
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2016-09-04 14:41 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 0904591 Robert Sim: Update main.markdown...
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2016-09-05 10:39 <hendry> Marlinsk1: http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Singapore/events/233111975/
2016-09-05 10:39 <RotiPrata> [ September meetup - docker in the cloud - Docker Singapore (Singapore) - Meetup ] - www.meetup.com
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2016-09-07 14:42 <ponyfleisch> cloudfront is evil
2016-09-07 14:42 <ponyfleisch> it kills requests that take more than 30 seconds
2016-09-07 14:43 <ponyfleisch> fair enough though, nothing should take that long
2016-09-07 14:43 <ponyfleisch> ...unless one works with some legacy piece of shit overengineered crap
2016-09-07 14:45 <tkd> 'oh no, it's a slow loris attack' *boom* ?
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2016-09-07 15:13 <ponyfleisch> tkd: in my case the server takes > 30s to respond, because it's doing some heavy duty stuff. does not seem vulnerable to slow loris if implemented properly.
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2016-09-07 18:38 <github> hackerspace.sg/master 62e0a0d Roland Turner: Expanded response on things which require us to pay.
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2016-09-08 14:01 <hendry> i wonder when exactly i can re-order on the Apple store for an iPhone 7
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2016-09-08 14:13 <ponyfleisch> hendry: erm, it says it right there
2016-09-08 14:13 <ponyfleisch> Pre-order from 3:01 p.m. on 9 September.
2016-09-08 14:13 <ponyfleisch> http://www.apple.com/sg/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7
2016-09-08 14:13 <RotiPrata> [ Buy iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus - Apple (SG) ] - www.apple.com
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2016-09-08 14:57 <ponyfleisch> Alex: i see CF now does HTTP2!
2016-09-08 14:58 <ponyfleisch> Alex: feature request: server push via response headers
2016-09-08 14:59 <ponyfleisch> Alex: say, my server sends X-CF-Server-Push: /foo.css, /foo.js
2016-09-08 14:59 <ponyfleisch> Alex: in the response to a GET /index.html
2016-09-08 14:59 <ponyfleisch> Alex: and it pushes these two to the client as well
2016-09-08 15:01 <hendry> i switched my CF distros to use HTTP2 this morning. bit of a pain going through the menus
2016-09-08 15:03 <ponyfleisch> sounds like a job for the commandline?
2016-09-08 15:03 <ponyfleisch> or even better, for terraform
2016-09-08 15:03 <ponyfleisch> though i doubt it already supports that setting
2016-09-08 15:04 <hendry> was your terraform presentation recorded?
2016-09-08 15:04 <ponyfleisch> i'm not sure. i don't think so.
2016-09-08 15:04 <hendry> iiuc terraform allows you to setup containers on DO, AWS, any hosting providing?
2016-09-08 15:04 <ponyfleisch> the jaws people did some recording, but i think only for their own useless talks.
2016-09-08 15:05 <ponyfleisch> yep
2016-09-08 15:05 <hendry> i'm dubious about that abstraction
2016-09-08 15:05 <hendry> been trying Docker cloud on DO and it was hopeless
2016-09-08 15:05 <hendry> AWS ecs-cli and ecs-agent despite being a little buggy is some much more "production" quality
2016-09-08 15:06 <hendry> zero downtime, solid load balancer, metrics etc. for monitoring et al
2016-09-08 15:06 <hendry> my project here https://github.com/kaihendry/count is intended as a AWS ecs walkthough
2016-09-08 15:06 <ponyfleisch> nah it's not really an abstraction in the sense that it abstracts all cloud providers
2016-09-08 15:06 <RotiPrata> [ GitHub - kaihendry/count: Golang Docker exercise ] - github.com
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> but yeah, perhaps ECS can replace most of what people can do with terraform
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> would you rather roll your own DB container for, say, mysql, or use aws rds?
2016-09-08 15:07 <hendry> what was so bad about JAWS talks? poor delivery or content?
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> here are my slides: https://speakerdeck.com/claudiomettler/terraform-in-5-minutes
2016-09-08 15:07 <RotiPrata> [ Terraform in 5 minutes // Speaker Deck ] - speakerdeck.com
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> hendry: both if you ask me
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> hendry: barely understandable english
2016-09-08 15:07 <hendry> ponyfleisch: rather use AWS db services
2016-09-08 15:07 <ponyfleisch> mostly irrelevant bs
2016-09-08 15:08 <ponyfleisch> hendry: so in that case, ecs doesn't help you, no?
2016-09-08 15:08 <ponyfleisch> i mean, you still need to orchestrate that somehow
2016-09-08 15:08 <ponyfleisch> that's where cloudformation or terraform come in
2016-09-08 15:08 <hendry> hashicorp is a cool company
2016-09-08 15:08 <ponyfleisch> anyway, terraform is super easy to get into, worth a shot if you ask me.
2016-09-08 15:08 <ponyfleisch> more complicated setups take some time, but the great thing is that you can then create modules (or just copy&paste) if you need the same shit again
2016-09-08 15:09 <ponyfleisch> i now have a pretty solid base to work with for legacy php stuff
2016-09-08 15:09 <hendry> but i guess... this is just my experience at work, we don't need to setup and tear down DBs very often
2016-09-08 15:09 <ponyfleisch> including RDS, autoscaling with a custom, ansible-provisioned AMI, CF, DNS, redis, EFS, Codedeploy.
2016-09-08 15:09 <hendry> compared to rolled out Docker images of application logic
2016-09-08 15:10 <ponyfleisch> though i have to start looking into docker soon, that could make much of the codedeploy+autoscaling stuff unnecessary
2016-09-08 15:10 <hendry> on what AMI does it run on ? what is the agent?
2016-09-08 15:10 <ponyfleisch> does what run on?
2016-09-08 15:10 <hendry> terraform, when it deploys a container ?
2016-09-08 15:10 <ponyfleisch> oh it doesn't deploy containers, it just prepares infrastructure
2016-09-08 15:11 <hendry> oh, like CloudFormation does as you mention in your slide deck
2016-09-08 15:11 <ponyfleisch> i guess if you do container stuff you can get it to do that too, but i'm not sure how far it would go for that
2016-09-08 15:11 <ponyfleisch> yeah. except that it seems a bit simpler and also does other providers
2016-09-08 15:11 <ponyfleisch> so you could easily bring up a DO droplet and then create a DNS record in route53 pointing to it.
2016-09-08 15:11 <ponyfleisch> and update your security group so your droplet can access some internal services. etc etc.
2016-09-08 15:12 <hendry> hmm, abstractions be leaky and we only use AWS stuff atm
2016-09-08 15:12 <ponyfleisch> not sure that's useful for you if you don't run many environments. except that it is decent disaster recovery.
2016-09-08 15:12 <hendry> we've honestly looked at other stuff, but other stuff totally sucks
2016-09-08 15:12 <ponyfleisch> yeah but it doesn't really try to abstract anything
2016-09-08 15:12 <ponyfleisch> the resources are aws specific if you use aws
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> you can do pretty much anything that aws can do. only exception i found is cloudfront acl stuff.
2016-09-08 15:13 <hendry> wdym by resources?
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> https://www.terraform.io/docs/providers/aws/r/instance.html
2016-09-08 15:13 <RotiPrata> [ AWS: aws_instance - Terraform by HashiCorp ] - www.terraform.io
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> here, this is an ec2 instance
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> it doesn't abstract it
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> means you can't just port it over to DO or anything, that's not what it does
2016-09-08 15:13 <ponyfleisch> it exposes pretty much everything that aws does
2016-09-08 15:14 <ponyfleisch> but it has defaults
2016-09-08 15:14 <ponyfleisch> so a minimal ec2 config is maybe 5 lines or so
2016-09-08 15:15 <ponyfleisch> it also doesn't run on anything except your local machine
2016-09-08 15:15 <ponyfleisch> or some CI type system if you really wanna go that way
2016-09-08 15:15 <hendry> we're using ECS and we don't even care know what the OS is. ok, we choose whether we want micro or medium et al, but other stuff like AMI choosing, virtualization-type, etc etc options have gone away which is awesome
2016-09-08 15:15 <ponyfleisch> yep, so if you do ecs you might not need all the ec2 stuff
2016-09-08 15:16 <hendry> we scale, it attaches to LB... boom, we're away
2016-09-08 15:16 <ponyfleisch> you might want to keep your cf configs in code though: https://www.terraform.io/docs/providers/aws/r/cloudfront_distribution.html
2016-09-08 15:16 <RotiPrata> [ AWS: cloudfront_distribution - Terraform by HashiCorp ] - www.terraform.io
2016-09-08 15:17 <hendry> looking at that example, it seems to override defaults. my mantra is keep to defaults as much as possible
2016-09-08 15:17 <hendry> admittedly settings CFs with S3 is a pain to do manually
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2016-09-08 15:18 <ponyfleisch> yeah i don't see a point
2016-09-08 15:18 <ponyfleisch> plus the cf defaults change
2016-09-08 15:18 <ponyfleisch> err, aws defaults change
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2016-09-08 15:18 <ponyfleisch> as is the case with cf just now
2016-09-08 15:18 <hendry> usually for the better, e.g. h2 default
2016-09-08 15:19 <ponyfleisch> but sure, find something to whine about everywhere :)
2016-09-08 15:19 <ponyfleisch> keep clicking around in your aws console until you have blisters on your fingers :)
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2016-09-08 15:20 <ponyfleisch> ah, one thing i loved about terraform is that when efs became available in ireland halfway through my project, i just switched to the ireland zone
2016-09-08 15:20 <ponyfleisch> (was supposed to run in frankfurt, but EFS is worth the switch)
2016-09-08 15:21 <ponyfleisch> plus now that i have a working project, i will put in variables so i can have different environments. staging environment with smaller instances, and live environment
2016-09-08 15:21 <ponyfleisch> from the same config
2016-09-08 15:22 <ponyfleisch> and when EFS comes to germany, we'll just point terraform there and run terraform apply
2016-09-08 15:22 <ponyfleisch> (except that will probably blow up because of unique names..)
2016-09-08 15:30 <ponyfleisch> but i think cloudformation can do the same stuff
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2016-09-10 04:53 <MnemoniX> gotta brain teaser for ya
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2016-09-11 10:48 <ponyfleisch> hendry: did you ask for a video of my terraform talk? apparently, it was recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyOY8f5jCd4
2016-09-11 10:48 <RotiPrata> [ Infrastructure as code Teraform - AWS User Group Singapore - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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2016-09-14 10:13 <hendry_> Alex: i was hoping that i could have different 404.html in S3 depending on which path the error was triggered
2016-09-14 10:13 <hendry_> but /404.html always seems to get hit
2016-09-14 10:16 <Alex> Custom ERror Document is a per bucket level configuration. You could achieve it using different S3 buckets with CloudFront doing path mapping, but I think that'd be it.
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2016-09-14 10:28 <hendry> Alex: true
2016-09-14 10:35 <Alex> Actually, I think you can
2016-09-14 10:35 <Alex> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/HowDoIWebsiteConfiguration.html
2016-09-14 10:35 <RotiPrata> [ Configure a Bucket for Website Hosting - Amazon Simple Storage Service ] - docs.aws.amazon.com
2016-09-14 10:35 <Alex> I think you could write RoutingRules to do it
2016-09-14 10:35 <Alex> Combining conditions and error codes
2016-09-14 10:40 <Alex> But it looks like that'd be a redirect - so the 404 would give a 302 would give a 404 (IYSIWM)
2016-09-14 10:40 <Alex> Or rather, the condition of the file not existing would give a 302 which would give a 404, I think
2016-09-14 10:55 <Alex> Yeah, which then returns a 200 - so that's not...awesome
2016-09-14 10:55 <Alex> https://gist.github.com/fa96cd7c3ff6dc7224006ed068279b8c
2016-09-14 10:55 <RotiPrata> [ gist:fa96cd7c3ff6dc7224006ed068279b8c · GitHub ] - gist.github.com
2016-09-14 10:55 <Alex> but you can play about with it I guess
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2016-09-14 13:34 <A_Drone> Feck. If someone writes algorithms that can handle human speech and cancel it out properly, I predict they will redefine what being a "unicorn" means.
2016-09-14 13:35 <A_Drone> Bose doesn't! Good thing I found out Noise Cancelling is useless against human voice by experiencing $100 Philips headphones rather than $550 Bose ones
2016-09-14 14:08 <Alex> I have the Bose noise cancelling ones. They do a pretty good job when combined with music, but yeah - it doesn't block human speech specifically
2016-09-14 14:40 <ntropy> you should be able to tell your noise cancelling headphones what specific sounds you want to ignore
2016-09-14 14:41 <ntropy> so you let them listen to that annoying person or their laughter and then it can cancel that out completely
2016-09-14 14:41 <ntropy> the inverse should also be possible - so you can only hear one particular voice that you care about
2016-09-14 14:42 <ponyfleisch> guns works very well at silencing specific people
2016-09-14 14:42 <ponyfleisch> s/at/for/
2016-09-14 14:42 <RotiPrata> ponyfleisch meant to say: guns works very well for silencing specific people
2016-09-14 14:46 <ntropy> i think a gun is a bit overkill
2016-09-14 15:26 <ponyfleisch> at the very least it's kill
2016-09-14 15:27 <ponyfleisch> provided you're using it right
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2016-09-15 10:56 <ntropy> A_Drone: check out https://mynoise.net/ for sounds to listen to with headphones when you want to focus
2016-09-15 10:56 <RotiPrata> [ myNoise™ • Focus@Work • Relax@Home • Sleep@Night ] - mynoise.net
2016-09-15 11:02 <A_Drone> Wow, glad to see I'm not alone in my utter hatred for annoying LOUD laughter ntropy and ponyfleisch
2016-09-15 11:03 <A_Drone> "Hey man! Check out my new headphones!" "Cool where?!" :bam: :bam: - "Oh I forgot to tell you they were noise cancelling" <blows gun smoke away from barrel>
2016-09-15 11:04 <A_Drone> I've got a few noise isolating ones on my amazon cart after a bit of research, I'll purchase one next month
2016-09-15 11:05 <A_Drone> I can play loud music yes but that's damaging :(
2016-09-15 11:06 <A_Drone> Haha there's a data center noise generator on mynoise
2016-09-15 11:06 <A_Drone> like
2016-09-15 11:10 <tkd> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Bangspace ← now _that_ is a bold name.
2016-09-15 11:10 <RotiPrata> [ Bangspace - HackerspaceWiki ] - wiki.hackerspaces.org
2016-09-15 11:21 <hendry> Alex: Happy Birthday
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2016-09-15 13:02 <Alex> Thank you, hendry.
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2016-09-16 13:56 <concernedcitizen> ACTION licks icedwater
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2016-09-17 06:57 <dbelange> is there anywhere to shoot guns legally in singapore
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2016-09-17 10:50 <notthetup> in NS? :p
2016-09-17 10:55 <ntropy> what do you know, somebody did invent a noise blocking device you can carry around with you https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1280803647/muzo-your-personal-zone-creator-with-noise-blockin
2016-09-17 10:55 <RotiPrata> [ Muzo - Your Personal Zone Creator with Noise Blocking Tech. by Celestial Tribe —Kickstarter ] - www.kickstarter.com
2016-09-17 11:03 <tkd> i would so like to believe this will work but I kinda totally don't :(
2016-09-17 11:34 <dbelange> can you go to thailand as a gun tourist
2016-09-17 11:35 <dbelange> maybe batam?
2016-09-17 11:36 <dbelange> join an International Anti-Drug Squad in manila
2016-09-17 12:41 <ntropy> cambodia is also full of sketchy places where you can fire guns and throw grenades into the field
2016-09-17 12:43 <ntropy> tkd: yeah sounds dubious, its basically a jammer and since its for frequencies that we can hear, then it will be audible, which maybe defeats the point
2016-09-17 12:44 <ntropy> might make your domesticated animals go up the wall too
2016-09-17 12:45 <tkd> well they are pitching it as a) surface-to-speaker converter b) an interference-based noise cancellation system
2016-09-17 12:45 <dbelange> ntropy: at that point might as well join a PMC
2016-09-17 12:45 <dbelange> and practise on live targets
2016-09-17 12:46 <tkd> both are "possible"… i'm really actually mostly curious about where the wires are, cause this sure as hell isn't going to last long on battery power, heh.
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2016-09-19 14:00 <hendry> Alex: when setting a CF origin using a S3 bucket, what is "best"
2016-09-19 14:00 <hendry> https://s3-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/archpi.dabase.com OR http://archpi.dabase.com.s3-website-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/ (no-SSL)
2016-09-19 14:00 <RotiPrata> [ Archlinux on Raspberry PI2 e10ab65 ] - archpi.dabase.com.s3-website-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com
2016-09-19 14:00 <Alex> That's a good question for Stack Overflow/whichever one you ask infra questions on
2016-09-19 14:01 <Alex> or you could do the direct S3 origin config if you wanted
2016-09-19 14:01 <Alex> where you define the origin as an S3 bucket, rather than using the URL -- and then you could use OAI
2016-09-19 14:01 <Alex> I think that's considered 'best', but has some drawbacks
2016-09-19 14:01 <hendry> OAI ?
2016-09-19 14:01 <Alex> Restricts access to S3 only to CloudFront
2016-09-19 14:02 <Alex> About to board a plane
2016-09-19 14:02 <Alex> Tatty bye
2016-09-19 14:02 <hendry> everytime I setup a bucket like that, i got issues with hitting index.html IIRC
2016-09-19 14:02 <hendry> Alex: bon voyageee
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2016-09-20 01:47 <ponyfleisch> zomg alex, elastic beanstalk rant.
2016-09-20 01:48 <ponyfleisch> wait. change of mind. i don't have time to rant.
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2016-09-20 09:32 <icedwater> GIANT_CRAB: ping
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2016-09-20 09:58 <hendry> ponyfleisch: ebs the really really slow app provisioning thing ?
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2016-09-20 10:36 <hendry> https://gbuy.gds-gov.tech/
2016-09-20 10:36 <RotiPrata> [ GovBuy - Government Digital Services, Singapore ] - gbuy.gds-gov.tech
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2016-09-20 10:48 <icedwater> LOL
2016-09-20 10:49 <icedwater> I'm watching a congressional hearing from Sep 12 about the FBI investigation on Hillary Clinton
2016-09-20 10:49 <icedwater> (background, of course.)
2016-09-20 10:49 <icedwater> Dem-1 says: The Reps are politicising this matter and it is going out of hand.
2016-09-20 10:50 <icedwater> Dem-2 says: compared to George Bush's administration, Hillary's use of the private server is really transparent
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2016-09-21 14:43 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: seems like I have to find out a way to have Gitlab to use an existing docker image or something
2016-09-21 14:49 <GIANT_CRAB> icedwater: https://gitlab.com/help/ci/docker/using_docker_images.md#how-docker-integration-works they remove the container after its done??? so I guess I have to upload my own docker in the docker hub registry
2016-09-21 14:49 <RotiPrata> [ Using docker images · Docker · Ci · Help · GitLab ] - gitlab.com
2016-09-21 16:58 <icedwater> iOS dev types - are xcassets and storyboards meant to be under source control? They smell like binaries to me.
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2016-09-23 02:17 <malcomy> hey
2016-09-23 02:18 <malcomy> r u guys real hackers ??
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2016-09-23 11:45 <stigo> :P
2016-09-23 11:46 <stigo> sure, in the traditional sense of the word I'd imagine
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2016-09-23 12:25 <Qfwfq> request for beers
2016-09-23 14:37 <ntropy> request granted
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2016-09-25 13:18 <hendry> Alex: i need a super simple sane example of sending an SMS with AWS so i can move off Nexmo
2016-09-25 13:42 <hendry> Alex: be good if this was answered https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=238659
2016-09-25 13:42 <RotiPrata> [ AWS Developer Forums: SnS service does not send SMS V3 API ... ] - forums.aws.amazon.com
2016-09-25 14:01 <hendry> TopicArn Reason: An ARN must have at least 6 elements, not 1 - <ErrorResponse xmlns="http://sns.amazonaws.com/do
2016-09-25 14:01 <hendry> c/2010-03-31/">
2016-09-25 14:01 <RotiPrata> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='sns.amazonaws.com', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: /do (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f5e401dac90>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -3] Try again',)) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 437, in send)
2016-09-25 14:01 <hendry> the thing I don't understand is, do I need to create a topic ARN every SMS I send?
2016-09-25 14:12 <hendry> Alex: nevermind, figured it out :)
2016-09-25 14:13 <hendry> tbh i have no idea how delivery notifications work
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2016-09-26 09:09 <Alex> hendry: that was fast, well done
2016-09-26 09:38 <hendry> Alex: https://twitter.com/jamingo/status/780055788031086592
2016-09-26 09:38 <RotiPrata> [ Tony Jamous on Twitter: "@kaihendry @gandalfar @awscloud @Nexmo that is great feedback. What would you change or improve ? @leggetter" ] - twitter.com
2016-09-26 10:14 <Alex> your comment about the web interface
2016-09-26 10:25 <Alex> (Made me laugh)
2016-09-26 10:33 <hendry> Alex: i know right?
2016-09-26 10:33 <hendry> i wrote to nexmo ages ago complaining can i have simple Web interface for test SMSes? they replied, "Use the CURL API"
2016-09-26 10:47 <hendry> Alex: it take me a previous hour or two to come up with https://github.com/kaihendry/myresponder/blob/master/aws-helpers.php#L56
2016-09-26 10:47 <RotiPrata> [ myresponder/aws-helpers.php at master · kaihendry/myresponder · GitHub ] - github.com
2016-09-26 10:47 <hendry> there really should be a set of sane minimal examples
2016-09-26 10:50 <hendry> aws cli is easy though; aws sns publish --phone-number '+65XXXXXX' --message "Test message"
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2016-09-26 11:02 <hendry> Alex: still don't understand how delivery notifications work.
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